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Offline PelletPaul

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2008, 12:55:58 AM »
So one more question for now.  Is the $600 more for a Daystate worth it over lets say a condor?  
I really appreciate everyone's input on this.  I can read much passiion when the subject of PCP's comes into play.  GTA what a great place to be!!!!!!!!

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2008, 02:01:18 AM »
Can't speak from personal experience, but if it's on a par with my FX Cyclone (they're supposed to be even better), then I'd say absolutely.  Not to take anything away from the Condor, but there's really no comparison.  Fit, finish, build quality, trigger, consistency, efficiency, ergonomics, the Daystate would win hands down.  The only area the Condor wins would be power, and at up to 40 fpe for the Daystate, I'd say it packs enough punch to take anything that should be taken with an air rifle.  And out of the box, the Daystate will be much quieter.  To get the Condor as neighbor friendly, expect to drop another $200+.  And to get the Condor dialed in, you'll also need a chrony, add another $100 if you don't already have one.  Plus a chunk of patience and a large supply of pellets.  The Condor is also single shot only, the Daystate comes with a very good magazine plus a single shot adapter.  Best of all worlds.  Hmm, I think I need to start saving for my next rifle... ;-).  Later.

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2008, 03:55:08 AM »
On one  of the reviews it states very clearly that the condor is very loud. Not good for me at all.  Quite is good for me.  I guess that leaves the Condor out.  I'll start looking at reviews for other PCP's.     Thanks
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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2008, 04:22:39 AM »
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PelletPaul - 12/29/2008  10:55 AM

On one  of the reviews it states very clearly that the condor is very loud. Not good for me at all.  Quite is good for me.  I guess that leaves the Condor out.  I'll start looking at reviews for other PCP's.     Thanks


The Condor can be shrouded which would make it much quieter.  The problem I see with shrouding them and modding and putting lipstick on them is that by the time you pay for a shroud, mods, lipstick, and get the gun tuned you could have bought a better rifle to begin with, and the ergonomics of a Condor will never be right unless your head is the size of a peanut and your neck bends like a giraffe.  Sorry Airforce guys, I know people really love these guns, but they do have some serious shortcomings....I loved my TalonSS, but finally sold it because of those shortcomings.  It's kinda like the $70 QB78 CO2 gun, I've poured a bunch of money into one of those guns to make them custom.  When I was done I had a pretty nice little custom gun, but for the money I put into making that $70 gun really nice I could have just bought a really nice gun to begin with, it's like putting nice rims on a Pinto.  These are just my personal opinions, I'm not sponsored by "The Anti Airforce Gun League", they are tons of fun to tinker with.

Haha, I agree, airgun guys are pretty passionate about whatever gun they're shooting....I like shooting my sons Red Ryder on occasion and I don't care who sees me when I'm shooting it!

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2008, 05:02:30 AM »
Might want to check out Airguns of AZ Used site:

BSA Lone Star
.22 Caliber
No Sights
EX Condition
$495.00

Speak to them about options for making it more "neighborhood friendly", or consider the after market options to do that.
The current stable, (arsenal, quiver?): BSA Lightning XL .177, BSA Sportsman HV .22, BSA Ultra .177, CZ634 .177, Daystate Harrier X .177, TAU 200 Senior .177, HW 97 .177, HW 50s .177, HW 30 .177, RWS 92 .177, Gamo 126 MC Super, Gamo Big Cat .177, AR2078A, QB78 .177, Quest 1000 .177, Beeman SS650 .177., Beeman P17 .177.
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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2008, 06:13:49 AM »
PeakChick -  What about that Daystate Huntsman for 795.00 on AOA.  Much better than Lonestar?  Let's remember I want to shoot accurately at 75 to 100 yards.  I have a Diana 54 which is excellent for 50 yards and under.  And it must be quite.

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2008, 06:45:14 AM »
I think the Daystate is a bit overpriced. The Huntsman is a fine, old rifle, but nothing special. The newer Daystates are great rifles, the electronic trigger models can have elec. issues that can be a pain to deal with. The Air Wolf is a great hunting rifle, but awfully pricey. I'm pretty sold on what a good vaule the BSA PCP rifles are for the buck. Yes, the LoneStar is loud stock. Once again, speak with AoA about options to make it more friendly for the backyard. I beleive the LoneStar, without sights, barrel has 1/2 UNF standard threads on the end for "accessories." Give AoA a call.
The current stable, (arsenal, quiver?): BSA Lightning XL .177, BSA Sportsman HV .22, BSA Ultra .177, CZ634 .177, Daystate Harrier X .177, TAU 200 Senior .177, HW 97 .177, HW 50s .177, HW 30 .177, RWS 92 .177, Gamo 126 MC Super, Gamo Big Cat .177, AR2078A, QB78 .177, Quest 1000 .177, Beeman SS650 .177., Beeman P17 .177.
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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2008, 06:50:31 AM »
Thanks PeakChick.      Paul
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2008, 08:29:05 AM »
One caveat I'm going to throw in here Paul. You mention wanting 75-100 yard accuracy. I consider 75-100 yards to be pretty much outside the realistic expectations I have for air rifles. It's more a function of the limited balistics of diablo pellets than anything else. Yes, there are folks that speak of the shots they take at long range, and I'm sure they are making their shots. I'm a fair shot and would not even consider taking a 75 + yard shot at anything with any air rifle. I consider air rifles to be 50 yard hunting tools, at best. Most of the pest elimination I do is at 20 - 40 yard ranges, (I'm pretty impressed with an air rifle and myself when I can knock a Starling out of a tree at 40 yards). Maybe I'm just not good enough to get the job done at longer ranges, but I don't even try with an air rifle.
The current stable, (arsenal, quiver?): BSA Lightning XL .177, BSA Sportsman HV .22, BSA Ultra .177, CZ634 .177, Daystate Harrier X .177, TAU 200 Senior .177, HW 97 .177, HW 50s .177, HW 30 .177, RWS 92 .177, Gamo 126 MC Super, Gamo Big Cat .177, AR2078A, QB78 .177, Quest 1000 .177, Beeman SS650 .177., Beeman P17 .177.
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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2008, 09:28:10 AM »
I know it's a long way, however with today's pellet gun choices and the awesome power of some models, do you not think this to be viable option.  I shoot very accurately at 50 yards and lower with my Diana 54.  I get just over 20 ft/lbs at this range.  Now when you take a PCP with twice and sometimes three times more ft/lbs, higher velocities with heavier pellets, no felt recoil and not hold sensitive that 75 to 100 yards is not possible?  I can assure you that you know much, much more than I so I value your opinion.  With heavier pellets and more velocity would not your pellet stabilize enough down range to shoot these kind of distances accurately?

Moving toward the dark side,

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2008, 09:34:03 AM »
In my opinion Paul, for what it's worth, it's really just more a question of how much a pellet is going to be affected by wind at increased range and the lower retained energy from a 14-18 gr. pellet that started out at about 900 fps. There are folks that work hard at shooting air rifles at longer ranges, particulary high energy PCP rifles. For shooting at targets or plinking away at cans, great, but I'm of the opinion that air rifles, including high energy PCP rifles really don't retain enough energy beyond 50 yards or so to be effective, humane hunting tools.

I'm sure some will chime in with dissenting opinions...............  :)
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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2008, 10:27:02 AM »
For what it's worth, and I am no hunter so my take doesn't neccesarily mean much, I've shot at, and hit soda cans filled with water at 158 yards with a 30fpe pcp and had no problem putting a hole through it and draining the water(what me and Steve Corcoran call the "158 yard challenge").  I know that isn't a realistic hunting situation, but I swear it can be done, and be done repeatably given the correct wind conditions.  I've seen many people at our last NTAGM shootout hit a 3" gong at 100+ yards without trying very hard with PCP's.  Would I shoot a squirrel at that distance and hope for a humane kill?  If I hit it I know it would drop, but realistically I probably wouldn't take a shot much past 70 yards for fear of not making a clean shot and maiming the poor bugger.  Really depends on the gun, the shooter, and confidence in ones skills and equipment...I'm not a great shot, and in a more realistic hunting situation where there is no bench or rest involved these results would be worse.  Just my non-hunting $0.02 based on what I've seen done from a bench.
Dan

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Re: Darkside Advise
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2008, 02:20:58 PM »
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PelletPaul - 12/29/2008  8:55 AM

On one  of the reviews it states very clearly that the condor is very loud. Not good for me at all.  Quite is good for me.  I guess that leaves the Condor out.  I'll start looking at reviews for other PCP's.     Thanks


If you get a talontuned condor, for about $800-900, you can have a shroud which makes it super quiet, and he will tune it for you, from the trigger to the consistency.  In my experience, a talontuned condor is as good as any other air rifle out there when it comes to accuracy, power, etc.  At 100 yards I have gotten under 2 inch groups.  I have taken squirrels out to 65 yards, with one shot.  I wouldn't cut the condor out yet, because WITH THE SHROUD IT IS THE MOST QUIET AIR RIFLE I HAVE SHOT.

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2008, 02:24:32 PM »
Paul, you want long range accuracy?  I have 2 friends that have taken, cleanly with 1 shot, rabbits out to 130 yards with their condor.  I have personally SEEN a CROW taken out at 104 yards confirmed with a AF Condor.  If you want long range accuracy it definately is one of your best options.  It will also have the most power at that range so will give you a better chance of a clean kill.  I know I have shot 1.75 inch groups at 100 yards before.

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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2008, 05:52:37 PM »
Evanix AR6 Is the way to go  for hunting,
brut power,Good to 100m
But if you need quiet look at
something ealse. The barrel is threaded
if you are able to make use of it "wink"
They were designed for pest control "Monkeys"
for the Korean Govement.
It was designed to kill from the first line
on the drawing board
not just a air toy that has the abillity to kill.

A gun people over look
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