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Offline raterminator

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Please vote
« on: January 24, 2009, 04:15:33 AM »


on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
First - vote on this one.
Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published. Vote in the
USA Today poll - click on the link below.

The Question is: Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?
Vote here:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm


Offline miked6762

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RE: Please vote
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2009, 04:22:14 AM »
Nice. After almost 800000 votes 97% say yes.

Offline RCnMo

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Re: Please vote
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2009, 04:27:34 AM »
That's what I thought!
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RE: Please vote
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2009, 04:33:37 AM »
This whole topic scares me..  why would USA TODAY even ask this question??   who is really behind this..  Our rights are being questioned...
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Offline Big_Bill

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RE: Please vote, WHERE !
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2009, 04:45:03 AM »


Yes Randall,



Our Constitutional Rights are being Questioned each and every day !



If you read the Constitution as written by our fore fathers, you can see how far from their their original intentions it has gone. And if WE, THE PEOPLE do not stand STRONG and FURM, the second amendment will also perish !



P.S. Garen, I only see the results of the post, not where to vote !

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RE: Please vote
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2009, 05:47:48 AM »




Its disturbing how deeply the misconceptions on this issue (and every other freedom-related issue) have been embedded by our exposure and education.  Notice the phrasing of the question, "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?"  The second amendment doesn't give the right to keep and bear arms to anyone, it prohibits the government from infringing on the right that exists - regardless of whether the government recognizes that right or not.  Its not about "sporting purpose" or "self-defense", its about my basic right of self-ownership as a human being.  I own myself, that is the root of liberty, and it is my right to use whatever means necessary to secure my life and the products of my life (i.e. the fruits of my labor) from anyone or anything who would try to deprive me of that.  The government didn't grant me my life and I don't ask them for permission to live.  The very fact that this question, and a many others that are fundamentally the same, gets asked again and again and again and again shows that 1) far to many people have forgotten that basic premise of liberty or that 2) those that keep asking the question over and over again (such as USA Today) are trying to change people's opinion by asking the same question, phrased slightly differently, until they find a way of wording it where people agree with their position.



I've seen requests on "another airgun forum" that airgunners not draw attention to themselves by mentioning firearm-related terms, reasoning that the Second Amendment does not apply to airguns, only firearms - implying that we are only allowed to have our airguns because the government allows us to.  This is false reasoning because the Second Amendment addresses the right to "keep and bear arms" without specifying what those arms are.  Even the 'militia' phrase implies that anything of use to defend ones life, property, homeland, etc... in military service is included.  This has in the past included such things baseball bats, axes, spears, archery equipment, and more than likely airguns.  Anything you can arm yourself with is an "arm."



 As another thought on this subject, it seems to me that people in a civilized society would be able to carry arms at will and have the decency and self-control not to use them unless absolutely necessary and appropriate.  It is only due to the decay of civilization that many people fear arms in the hands of their fellows and feel the need to limit access to them.  Contrast this thought to the contention of those on the other side who say that there is no need of arms in a civil society.



 Wow, what a rant!



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Isn't this an OLD pol (?)
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2009, 05:51:47 AM »
Wasn't this the pol from November 2007l (i.e., in response to the upcoming Heller case)?

The URLdescriptors would seem to indicate that.









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RE: Please vote
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2009, 06:00:30 AM »


Hey Guys and Gals,



I'm moving this to the POLITICS and RELIGION FORUM !



Please continue your discussion there.



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RE: Isn't this an OLD pol (?)
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2009, 06:03:25 AM »
I don’t know. E-mailed to me from New York City Hunting Alliance Movement today.

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RE: Please vote
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2009, 06:09:09 AM »
?? Bill, I'm seeing it right now. Although it’s not right, but I still can vote again J

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RE: Please vote
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2009, 07:17:19 AM »
Randall, just ask J.... It is government wanting to take our rights away plus a whole lotta other changes are coming our way.
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Re: Please vote
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2009, 07:24:22 AM »
Well with the liberals in office now and having control of both the house and senate. Along with Oboma picking super lib's for appointed judges of the supreme court we is in for a long haul..:)

I see already he is talking about adding another 10 trillions bucks of your tax money to medicare for all the lazy suckers out there that will not work for a living and all the foreigners that are flooding into our country which we have not earned yet or even paid the taxes on it... Oh God.....
Where is the end? How about working on bringing back our economy through work programs and also bringing back all the corporations that have fled to third world countries. Not to mention the middle class business's out there that are getting racked through the coals to help support all the liberal whims.
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