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Change in NY Laws
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:27:44 PM »
It seems the NY State Dept. of Environmental Conservation finally officially addressed the issue of small game hunting with air guns.  The news is not good unfortunately.  The "DEC" has skirted the issue for years but I was informed by friends of mine who work for the DEC that there is now an "official" policy that just went into effect.

Basically it's very simple....... air guns cannot be used to hunt small or large game in the state of NY.  The only animals that you can legally hunt with air guns are the "unprotected species" listed in the DEC laws  (woodchucks, starlings, rock pigeons, red squirrels, porcupines).  

Hopefully this policy may change at some time in the future if enough political pressure is brought to bear, but for now small game are now off limits.  I'm very upset about the new change, but at least I can still hunt pests at the duck farm during the summer.  


Oh well, what can you do  :(

Guess I'll start "thinning the herd" and get rid of a few rifles......

Better yet,,,, hey Gene,,,,, any part of those woods behind your house for sale???  I told Joe there's no way I'm gonna just stop hunting with an air rifle so I guess I'm gonna have to move...  South Carolina sounds nice  :)

Jeff

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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 01:49:46 PM »
Florida is better!!!!! LOL Szeriously though, are you using a laser sight on any of your springers? I just bought a BSA laser to try on my S1K and the gamo are within an inch but not one holing it. Will try pedators after I break down and buy some. Thanks and sorry to hear about your new laws. Do they apply if you are on private land? John
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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 01:55:41 PM »
Yeah, unfortunately they apply to public and private land, basically the entire state.  I'm just happy that I can still spend the summers shooting woodchucks, pigeons and starlings with my air rifles,,,, I can live with the law as long as I have my summer pest hunting.....  

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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 03:42:17 PM »
Im an "Indian" Jeff,,,, makes me own rules here on the "Reservation"?? :p  Yup,, thats me,,,,, a 50 year old half bald "Blonde Indian"!! :p  8)  Just Funnin Jeff,,,,, I follow ALL the rules Buddy!! :p  Besides,,,, we all know "BB Guns" cant take small or medium sized game animals?? :o  8)  Sad,,,,,, VERY sad indeed. Get Well Buddy,, we need to talk!! :D  Tim.

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RE: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2009, 04:11:44 PM »
Glad to hear you are on the mend Jeff. Very sorry about the airgun hunting situation in NY. I know how much you love to pack your airguns in the woods. Good you still have a few targets to shoot at. Get well soon. Rest up.

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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2009, 05:40:03 PM »
Sorry to hear that Jeff. I know you are a law abiding person and it is a great loss to you for them to take away your hunting rights. Come on down south and you can hunt all the nutters etc. that you want..:)
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RE: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 09:53:55 PM »
Jeff,,I guess they were serious about the change in law,,,that hurts,,, :0   What's gonna happen next????? :o  They probably will stop me from playing ball because the bats are considered weapons!!!!! :p
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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2009, 09:56:28 PM »
Gene Gene I'll be camping out in your woods out back,, :)    Don't worry,I'm a good cook!!!!! :p
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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2009, 10:17:22 PM »
Can't imagine why they would do that? Jeff you can come down to Tucson anytime to hunt.  Big 12 pound Jack Rabbits.

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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 10:17:26 PM »
Can't imagine why they would do that? Jeff you can come down to Tucson anytime to hunt.  Big 12 pound Jack Rabbits.

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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2009, 11:39:07 PM »
What a bummer buddy, to many squirrel lovers over there or what.? Hang on to your shooter's buddy, you can use em for road trip's for hunting in other STATES. I'm happy to hear that your doing better though buddy. :) Ed
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that's crazy!!!!
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 12:51:34 AM »
I almost fell off my chair when I read your PM Jeff.  

I was actually afraid this day might come because PA has the same law.  Maybe some DEC exec. has friends in PA and they convinced him to do the same.  I would really like to know the reasoning behind it.  They should not be allowed to pass laws unless they explain to the public the reasoning behind them.  They probably held public meetings but where was the NRA and other hunter's organizations?  I 'm really ticked off at the NRA because I have been a member for many years and they did not let any of us know.  Maybe they didn't know themselves and did nothing to stop it.  The reason most people own guns is to use them for hunting and pest contorl.  What good is it owning guns if we can't use them on game?  A PCP gun is no different than a .22 rimfire.  Obviously these people don't know anything about airguns or their power.  Maybe if they did, they would classify them as firearms and then we couldn't use them at all within 500ft of a building or because of town/city laws.

I 'm going to sell a couple of my PCP's too.  I can't see not shooting another coon, possum or squirrel with them.. I 'm better off without them.  I 'll keep one just for G-hogs at a distance.  This is very bad news indeed..
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RE: that's crazy!!!!
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2009, 01:44:56 AM »
I know what you mean Harry,,, I feel the same as you, I"m actually depressed over this....

As for holding public hearings,,, I'm told there weren't any,,, this was just a decision made by the ruling powers at the DEC on their own accord.  Technically it's really a "policy procedural change" that was disseminated in the form of an official memo.  Apparently the DEC has the power to interpret and implement policy and procedures with respect to hunting and fishing and enforce their decisions.  I did quite a bit of research in the NYS Environmental  Conservation Law looking for this new "law" but it doesn't exist, at least not yet.  My friend said it was in the form of an official "memo" but he said we would probably see something in writing by next hunting season.   Very strange way to run a government agency as far as I'm concerned.  

As for the "firearms" part that you mentioned,,,,, got some more bad news for ya Harry,,,, and this is really weird....

The NYS Penal Law clearly does NOT consider air guns as firearm,,, but,,,, are you ready for this ?????

The NYS Environmental Conservation Law clearly defines and lists all air guns as  FIREARMS  with respect to hunting and shooting laws.  Amazing right ?? 2 different laws and 2 different definitions, but this fact should cause some concern for the air gun enthusiast in NY.  This fact is especially important if a person were to be afield (hunting or target shooting)  with an air gun that was made to be "neighborhood friendly" because under the E.C.L. laws you would now be in possession of a "firearm" that is equipped with a "you know what" and you could be in TREMENDOUS TROUBLE !!!!!!  

The E.C.L. law also clearly states that it's illegal to hunt any game (key word being ANY) with a firearm (air guns qualify) equipped with a  "you know what".  

Anyway, I have to end this post,,, I"m getting to depressed.  

Harry,, at least we can still shoot starling, pigeons, G-hogs and a couple of other non game species so it's not a total loss.....

Jeff

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Re: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2009, 02:16:01 AM »
JEFF HAPPY TO KNOW THAT YOU R ALRIGHT .JEFF FOR NOW DO JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDER RELAX ,ITS BAD AND WILL GET WORST WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT WHAT CAN WE DO ,YOU RIGHT ONE OF TWO THINGS MOVE OUT AND HOPE WHERE YOU MOVE TO IT DOESNT HAPPEN OTHERWISE U WILL BE MOVING ALL THE TIME OR JUST DEAL WITH IT ...IM THINKIN OF GETTIN A LIVE IN CAMPER AND TRAVEL, OR MOVE TO MAINE .GOD BLESS US ALL...JORGE

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RE: Change in NY Laws
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2009, 03:14:28 AM »
Wow...   that blows.  Kinda makes hunting more stressful doesn't it?!?!
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