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Offline melloroadman

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RE: Hey Dan,,,,,
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2009, 06:21:39 AM »
Dan the ones they sent me were 10.5 grains . My .177 likes the CPH 10.5 pellets with the stock spring and the 2250 spring as well . I have shot the beeman silver sting 8 grains in it with good results with the 2250 spring but never tried them with the stock spring as of yet . Did you ever chorny the rifle ? Mine likes 1700 fill the best can get buy with 1800 but above that and things start to happen like what you are experiencing .Marvin

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Re: Oh man, oh man......
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2009, 09:06:05 AM »
No chrony numbers yet airbud, but I'll get there eventually.  I was pretty sure that those HP's that came with the gun were heavies, they looked pretty large in comparision to the regular Walmart HP's.  They were also pretty ugly, bad mold lines and such.  I don't remember seeing a CPHP Heavy anywhere for sale though, odd, maybe they're labeled "Benjamin" or something?  I just tried Kodiaks, JSB's, and Crosman Heavies, all of which gave me the same 3/4"-1" groups going from about 1800-1200 psi.  The crown on this gun was just "ok", so I will give it a proper crown and try again in a few days.....weekend's over!
Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

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Re: Oh man, oh man......
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2009, 09:29:59 AM »
Dan you did clean the barrel as well I would guess . You never mentioned it or I don't remember you saying you did . Good luck and I know right were the box's the 46 were shipped in are at Marvin

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Re: Oh man, oh man......
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2009, 09:46:18 AM »
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melloroadman - 3/15/2009  4:29 PM

Dan you did clean the barrel as well I would guess . You never mentioned it or I don't remember you saying you did . Good luck and I know right were the box's the 46 were shipped in are at Marvin


Did a quick pull through, but not a great cleaning.  If all else fails I have a spare .22 barrel sitting here that I could swap out.   On a side note I aired her up this morning though and she didn't lose any air between then and the afternoon, so maybe there was a little funk on the fill nipple o-ring that got wiped off when I had the fill nipple apart yesterday....will see what the gauge reads tomorrow.  

I know where the Discovery shipping box is too.  Before I trade it off I want it to work right though so I can give it a fair shake, I still have some ideas left and I like to tinker:)
Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

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Re: Oh man, oh man......
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2009, 12:06:34 PM »
Dan, I had some issues with the Disco at first as well and here's what I did to mine:

Re-crowned slightly with brass screw
Polished breech end of the barrel for easier pellet loading
Polished bolt assembly and the channel that it rides in, mine from factory was so rough, I broke one bolt handle trying to cock the rifle, now it does it buttery smooth
Polished and cleaned the hammer and the tube it rides, re-assembled with minimal light lube
Filed down and polished transfer port, that thing is way to tall from the factory, it might be part of the reason of your rifle shooting low, it rises the breech and lowers the muzzle
Lower link mod + some dremel on the sear to reduce the drag on the hammer. There's still difference between pulling the trigger quickly and gentle squeeze of about 20fps, but I do the squeeze every time, so it's consistent
Installed and removed HDD as it only slowed the rifle down (results may vary)

The result is a very accurate and easy to shoot rifle. It's not the fastest - just under 800 fps in .22, but very consistant. I guess the valve has to do with it, from 2000psi to 1500 I have no curve at all.

Don't give up on it, it's a great tinker toy and the parts are cheap! :)
Chris

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Marvin is a genious, and Chris right as well.
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2009, 01:21:11 PM »
Marvin,

I got to thinking about the barrel cleaning you mentioned, and while I had pulled a patch or two through it, I hadn't done a thorough cleaning, so here's what I did.
Best way I have found to clean these little spagetti barrels is to pull the barrel and use a 1/8" dowel to push patches with goo-gone through them till clean, then followup with a couple clean patches.  I could do the same without pulling the barrel, but I always worry about getting gunk on the transfer port and pushing more gunk into my breach. So I:

pulled the scope, stock, shroud.
went to pull the barrel band and realised Crosman never put a top set screw in my barrel band, interesting.
pulled the barrel band and "plink", the barrel was pointing North about an 1 1/4" off the airtube at the muzzle....doh!!!
took everything down to the airtube and trigger group.
sent a half dozen goo-gone patches down the barrel, followed by a couple clean ones.  Barrel wasn't too fouled actually.
chucked the transfer port up in a pair of vice grips (lightly), and ran it across some sandpaper till I had lost a good 1-1.5mm off of the end that goes towards the barrel.  Polished up with some 800 grit and cleaned of rough edges and gunk.
re-assembled and replaced set screw in barrel band that Crosman never installed.
rescoped, charged with air, and took out to the yard with some Crosman 10.5 grainers for testing.

First shot at 15 yards was 2" high!  I know removing and replacing the scope will do a bit for POI, but not 2" at 15 yards, and the scope even after the previous fixes was still fairly close to max elevation, after re-sighting it is darn near in the middle.  I don't feel any blow-by at the transfer port, so I assume it is still sealing just fine.  After rezero I shot a 5 shot group that was within 1/2".  Still not perfect, but MUCH better.  Knowing that this barrel is as clean as it will most likely ever be it should improve with a little seasoning I suspect.  Looked at the crown much closer and it really isn't too bad, although a little lathe work would make it perfect, I may opt for just a little polishing with an old brass bolt handle and some toothpaste to avoid dragging my home projects into work.  So I guess I found out on my own what Chris was just describing about the transfer port being too tall, and I would not have gone in that direction if I was following Marvins advice and doing a good barrel cleaning.  So the "banana barrel" was still there after I removed the second barrel band, just not as bad, but still plenty bad apparently.  I considered leaving the top barrel band screw out to allow the barrel to slide fore/aft with any airtube changes, but it looks like it's ok right now, will have to experiment more.  I think David Kirby described these guns perfectly, "they're like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get".  Anyways, thanks guys, if it holds air like it has been for the last half day then it will be 100% fixed.  Going next weekend to the place where we are holding the NTAGM shootout in April, so I will be able to stretch out my shooting distance from 0-100 yards, should know exactly what this little shootin' stick will do by then!!!
Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

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RE: Marvin is a genious, and Chris right as well.
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2009, 02:36:31 PM »
No I really am not . But thanks any ways . I hope it all works out next week end . Just remember I have a RWS 46 with a TO 1 trigger with a longer screw in the first trigger hole that has a pull down under the pound mark just hanging around .Marvin

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RE: Marvin is a genious, and Chris right as well.
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2009, 02:58:11 PM »
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melloroadman - 3/15/2009  9:36 PM

No I really am not . But thanks any ways . I hope it all works out next week end . Just remember I have a RWS 46 with a TO 1 trigger with a longer screw in the first trigger hole that has a pull down under the pound mark just hanging around .Marvin


Well, when/if I get rid of this thing I will give you a shout, but I think my Air Arms S400C is getting closer to leaving the nest than the Disco is...I really want an HW97K!

Thanks again!
Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

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RE: Marvin is a genious, and Chris right as well.
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2009, 03:07:19 PM »
Dan; I think you've been talking about getting a HW97 longer than I'd wanted the R11 . I think it's about time you bought one . hehe . The prices on European made airguns has risen a bunch in the last year and I don't think it's over . Get em while you can. The HW97 is another I'd like t try myself one day. kirby
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RE: Marvin is a genious, and Chris right as well.
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2009, 12:15:14 PM »
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kirby999 - 3/15/2009  10:07 PM

Dan; I think you've been talking about getting a HW97 longer than I'd wanted the R11 . I think it's about time you bought one . hehe .  The prices on  European made airguns  has risen a bunch in the last year and I don't think it's over . Get em while you can. The HW97 is another I'd like t try myself one day.  kirby


I've been talking about an HW97K for about 2 1/2 years now.  I had an HW77K on loan to me for a week or two and really fell in love with that action, although I didn't care for the stock or styling, the HW97K fills that bill.  We had a huge layoff at my work last week, so I am saving my duckets for a rainy day (or in case I'm next).  If I go get an HW97K it will be because I sold something else, and the only gun I have that is worth as much and I could see parting with would be my S400C.  I like my S200 too much to get rid of it, and I don't have any other single gun that is worth trading off besides the S400C, besides power wise it's right in line with my S200, a bit of a duplicate.  We shall see:)

The Disco held air just fine overnight with no pressure loss that I can see, I think maybe it just had some yuck on the fill valve o-ring...I think Crosman may have gotten carried away when they did the thread lock on my fill nipple, there was a bunch of it on there, could of gotten under the o-ring.  Seems fixed for now.


Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

\"repeat this mantra:
Air gunzzzzzz, air gunzzzzzz, air gunzzzzzzz!!!  ...You will feel better\" T.E.C.2008