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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2009, 09:59:13 AM »
Bill- I live in a rural area, predominately rich old people. There aren't much opportunities to help those in need. But just today, I dropped some money in a college fund for a musician's son at the local Celtic Fair for this weekend. I also gave some momey to a poor street guitatrist in Monterey when I went with my girlfriend's parents.

And from your post I can see you don't have good comprehension skills, because I have posted my opinions several times.



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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2009, 12:22:28 PM »


How unlike a Democratic Liberal to personally offer assistance !



Doesn't that make you feel better ? Every day should start a new beginning, and everyday you should learn something new ! Your on your way to recovery !



And it's: you have poor comprehension skills ! "I see you have poor comprehension skills".



I feel strongly that your opinions are a ploy to continue this "discussion", not what You truly believe.



"Treat me as you would treat the lowest of your people...", isn't that a quote of Christs ? Are you telling us that you are Christ ? I think a few bucks here and there is a very good start, but not quite Christlike.



But I am starting to respect you ! Keep up the good works .



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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2009, 05:33:12 PM »
I've also been a volunteer tutor at my old high school for a semester, after getting paid the year before. With schools not getting the funding they need (especially with the California budget that Republicans seriously stalled because they refused to comprimise until the people started getting *_*_*_*_*_*ed), I decied to not get paid the second time around. I'm also a contributing member of Defenders of Wildlife.

Oh, and I said that to give you something to think about, seeing as how un-Christlike the "Religious Right" truly is.


And what suggests that what I am saying isn't actually my opinions?

When it comes to social policies, I believe that the US would benefit from some Socialist policies, like Universal Health Care and improved education. Fiscally, I'm more conservative, but where money needs to be spent, one should not be stingy, and use COMMON SENSE!
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2009, 03:26:27 AM »
Hey there Hermie,
     Nice to read your threads.  There is a fatal flaw however in the otherwise "nice thinking" logic you're using to come to your conclusions.  First a metaphore- thinking that we "should"  have universal health care, and thinking that we "should"  have "improved" education because it would be "nice" is like a mother who makes a statement like "It would be so nice if my son Billy could meet a sweet girl and live happily ever after" when little Billy is a 35 yr. old who still lives with his mom in her unfinished basement, is a fat slob who won't work, and showers once every two weeks whether he needs it or not.  This world thinks if something "tickles" the ear, or sounds fancy or "right", that it must have some moral or justifiable imperative behind it.  Wrong.   Like the chance that any right minded woman would see anything in "little Billy" to where she would want to invest herself and her treasure into him is obviously far fetched and a probable impossibility, UNLESS he can find someone as disfunctional as himself.  
     The reason that universal healthcare will not work is the same reason that so many other things in and out of society will not work; without incentive, man will not do something because it is "right", they will only do something if it provides benefit to one's self, family, or person place or thing which holds some kind of value to him/her.  I have two college degrees- one in social work like my father before me, and the other in psychology.  While I finished up my first one, and went on to begin my second, two of my best friends were just BEGINNING their entrances into medical schools.  I had long since finished my second degree, and they were not even half-way through their first HALF of medical school, much less their specializations.  When Dave, for instance, finished his specialty in ear nose and throat surgery, he owed over $400,000 to Vanderbuilt University in Hershey PA!  No, he didn't go through the misery, and much of it was misery and grind, JUST  to make money, but taking care of his parents who had gutted out a landscape business for 35 yrs. to provide him and three brothers and sisters was always at the back of his mind.  He will be paying on that loan for 30 YEARS, and considers it a "second" mortgage that he has to pay along with his house payment.  I believe that he deserves  every dime that he can make in the business he has chosen, and without people just like Dave and my other friend Brad, there is no one for us all to go to when we have a medical problem.  This will not ever occur if the incentive is not there.  Even a hundred thousand dollar "incentive" (salary) will not begin to pay his med school bills and allow him to make the further investments into his office, equipment, all of the medical supplies and machinery etc., and staffing.  It is a sad but simple fact that "socialized medicine" will result in what every other governmentalized, compartmentalized, and socialized program ends up in, and that is a top-heavy, ineffectual, and bloated pig of an operation.  Our public school system here in America is tha absolute epitome of an example.  Here in Colorado, we have an above average ranked public school system compared to the rest of the United States in terms of the criteria that the government uses to "grade" public pre-college schools.  My dad was in this system for 30 years as a school social worker.  Our state is now at an average "per-student" cost of nearly $14000 PER YEAR to attend k-12the grade!.  WE HAVE A 40% DROP OUT RATE FOR WHITES, 68%  DROP OUT RATE FOR BLACKS, AND OVER 80% DROP OUT RATE FOR HISPANICS!  My three school age kids go to a private (never liked that word for some reason) Christian school that has a GREAT education, lots and lots of homework (too much), and teachers that make LESS THAN $14 PER HOUR!  We pay LESS THAN HALF of what the state tax dollars go to pay for a public school student to attend school, and the outcome is so far and away better that a comparison can't even be made.  My father and mother spent the better part of both of their paychecks to send me and my three sisters to a Christian school, and again, the outcome was five college degrees in total (not because we are anything special, but because the inequality of the two systems- private v.s. public is so staggering).  In summation, your heart, like so many, is in the right place, but I must be bluntly honest and say that man's heart and it's aims to do "good" only lead to folly.  This is scriptural, and sadly, NO amount of money will change the statistics in the public schools, and sadly, this is also why no amount of money in the "stimulus" package is goiing to change America's situation.  It will not bring back the automotive industry, it will not bring back industry to a country who has voted for China and Wal-Mart with our pocket books, and most of all- sadly for me and my family- it will not bring back a housing and construction industry which has for 15 or more years been riding on the backs of an illegal population which- at a rate of over 4000 per day-have been pouring over our borders.  Neither party in our country wants to do anything about it, and I can tell you as a past federal agent, as well as a 12 year contractor and master carpenter, this country is now in a jam that only the Lord could get us out of it- and last I checked, there aren't too many folks asking Him these days.  Days are short Hermie,  don't concern yourself with socialized medicine and pouring more money that we don't have into a broken system of public schools, because the results will be the same or worse.  As few as 5 yrs. ago, we were spending just over $9000 per student in the Denver Public Schools, and our drop-out rate was LOWER than it is now.  Chris Romer, state representative and son of our esteemed (ugggg) past governor Roy Romer, is now trying to pass legislation for public schooling k-college to not only be funded, but legal for all children of immigrants, and it may well pass the house and senate here in our now completely Democrat -run government here.  Our state, like our government in the US willl not do anything about the 35 million illegal Mexicans, and now we will do nothing about their children.  I love all men, women, and children as they are all created by God, but we as a nation are in big, big trouble.  A man far wiser than I once said "no army or nation is strong enough to beat sheer population", and that is exactly what we are up against.  Sorry about the diatribe on the topic of illegal immigration, but it all boils down to the same fact that scripture has told us for thoudsands of years- "the wisdom of men is folly".  That's enough for now,  Ross
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2009, 11:15:52 AM »


Yes, while there are greedy people in this country fighting each other for money, things will never work like they do so well in other countries. While there are still "Health Insurance" companies that refuse treatment for their profits and investigate your claims like murder cases and hospitals that charge outrageous amounts that will put an uninsured person into debt well beyond their death, it will never work. The system itself will not support such a change. This is why the system needs to be completely broken down and rebuilt. Like the Public Education system. Thejerk of a Republican president we had decided that schools should be punished when they aren't doing good enough instead of helping them to do better when they need it. Thus, they slip downhill in a vicious cycle that will need a complete overhaul to repair. America- The Land of the Almighty Dollar.



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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2009, 01:39:35 PM »
See additional editorial comments:

Yes, while there are greedy people (capitalists) in this country (America, land of opportunity) fighting each other (competing financially) for money (in a free market economy), things (the things Big Government and socialists think are important) will never work (be controlled) like they (are alleged to) do so well in other (socialist) countries (with an elite, totalitarian ruling class to determine what is "best" and has the unrestrained power to institute such policies).

While there are still "Health Insurance" companies (private enterprises providing a needed financial service) that refuse (100% reimbursement for some prohibitively expensive, or perhaps not medically necessary?) treatment (instead of incurring costs far in excess of the premiums paid by their insured) for their profits (instead of going bankrupt, like government-run Medicare and Medicaid programs have, even with the ability to pass the bill on to the taxpayers) and investigate your claims like murder cases (as you contractually agreed to, when you bought the policy) and hospitals that charge outrageous (the outrage is there, yes, but perhaps not the hospital's fault) amounts (costs, necessitated by providing indigent care, complying with ballooning bureaucratic regulations, and the necessities of potential legal liabilities for anything but the absolute highest standard of care) that will put an uninsured person (who has made the financial decision to own one or two cars, cell phone, cable and a wide screen TV, nice air rifles,  computer,  4-bedroom house, and other necessities of life, instead of a basic medical insurance policy) into debt (which they incurred for the services of doctors, nurses, hospitals, pharmacies -- and did you think the debt doesn't accrue because the uninsured don't pay?) well beyond their death (our kids will have to pay those massive debts either way), it will never work (like some say it will work in the perfect, utopian socialist society).

The system itself (government imposed bureaucracy, trillions of dollars of tax debt, wasteful spending, and the demonstrably failed social welfare programs of the last 40-50 years) will not support  such a change. (hell no!, why would those "entitled" to these "free" benefits paid for by a minority of taxpayers want to change?)

This is why the system (ideally, American Constitutional law and founding principles of freedom and personal responsibility) needs to be completely broken down (degraded even more, until capitalism is completely destroyed) and rebuilt (in the form tyrannically imposed by folks like Obama and Hermie, who know what is best for the rest of us, instead of private medicine responding to a free market economy).

Like the Public (non) Education system (one of the poorest of any modern industrialized country).

The jerk of a Republican president (the Hated George Bush) we had (elected) decided (on his own, without any constraints from the Democratic Congress and liberal Supreme Court decisions, existing law, etc.?) that (substandard) schools should be punished (held accountable as stewards of billions in taxpayers money for our kid's education) when they aren't doing good enough (insert your own horror story of what goes on in public schools these days) instead of helping (throwing more money at) them (teachers, NEA, government policy bureaucrats) to do better (have a free and unfettered hand to teach whatever they deem appropriate) when they need it (because no matter how much money they get, it is never enough).

Thus, they slip downhill (unaccountable for their own failures, the obvious "victim" of the hated George Bush) in a vicious cycle (of tax and spend, secular over religious, define deviancy down, reward mediocrity, etc) that will need a complete overhaul (higher taxes, more spending, more government intrusion) to repair (achieve liberal socialist ideal for educating our kids).

America- (Amerika) The Land of the Almighty (almighty - non-secular, please) Dollar (it's the economy, stupid).

[liberal statist-socialist dribble, Howie.  You are a clueless automaton and you are demonstrably suffering from a malignant form of liberal intellectual bankruptcy.  Please follow Gene's suggestion and clean up your language.  It is doubly irritating to for others to endure both your foul language and your misguided flaming liberal rantings.  Have a nice day]

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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2009, 02:04:39 PM »


Michael,



After reading every post that you have written, I have come to the conclusion that you can only be a TROLL !



If you believe anything that you have posted, you should be at the Hospitals andHospices caring for the dieing AIDs patients. Giving your worldly capitalistic wealth and possessions to the sick and poor. Not wasting our time on your childish rants and ravings. Go forth young man (?) and become Father Michael. Show us how YOU can be better than Mother Tresa ! Shed your bondage of the material belongings that corrupt you, and go forth and show these Utopian beliefs that you purport,with your works, not your words. In plain English, Put Up, or Shut Up. Talk is Cheep !



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RE: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2009, 02:38:53 PM »


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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2009, 03:31:43 PM »
Psalms 46:10  Be still and know that I am God.

This is a passage that I taught my children.  I also taught them that it means, "You have the right to choose how you feel."  That is what I said.  You decide.  How can God tell us to be still and know that he is God, if we are not able to choose how we feel?  You get to choose how you feel, not someone else, not even God.  YOU CHOOSE and therefore YOU are held responsible.  If it were otherwise, how could you be held responsible?

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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2009, 11:29:05 PM »
Did something just happen to "separation of church and state"???

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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »
Hmmm...  Jesus was not a socialist.  He said, "Render unto Ceaser that which is Ceaser's, render unto God that which is God's."  Jesus was not a socialist.  He said, "Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What shall we drink?' or "What shall we wear? For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."  He taught that all is provided by God, not government.  The problem today is that there are so many who view government as God and fail to understand that any government which believes itself to be God, is doomed and damned.
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