Author Topic: SAFETY ISSUE using Hunter 440 wood stock on a Whisper!!! (or other syn. Gamos)  (Read 19678 times)

Offline CharlieDaTuna

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A little note here for what it's worth:

It is not uncommon for the cross pin to be off to one side or the other a little. The plastic cover that covers the cross pin should not be a safety issue at all. It is nothing more than a cover for aesthetic reasons.

 It would be almost impossible to drive it out with a hammer let alone just drift out, especially with the lug removed. It is under a lot of spring loaded cross pin pressure and of the few thousand Gamo's that I have been through, I have never yet seen even one that has moved any where near enough to possibly clear the block , even with a broken spring. It certainly cannot move far enough to clear the action. The only way that it could ever slip out is if it was totally without spring pressure and out of the stock and then it wouldn't matter. And.... even if it were to ever come out it still would not matter because the lug would still hold the cross pin block in place even if under a spring loaded pressure.

 In fact, many of the later Gamo's and Gamo clones using the tapered end caps don't cover the pin at all.

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Offline dnttech

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Okay, now I feel better.  I didn't mind spending the money for the stock as long as I can use it.  Thanks for the info CDT...My oldest son is standing here as I type this, he just said to me, "that Charlie The Tuna guy really knows a lot about airguns, huh?"  Ummmmm, yeah...he does!
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I REALLY like the look of that and would like one for my Big Cat. Just a couple quick questions:

Do you have a part number for the stock?

Did you just call Gamo USA and order it?

Thanks

Offline CO_AirGunner

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Bob,
The pin in mine slipped out on the left side (as you hold the rifle to shoot it) and stopped when it made contact with the wooden stock about 0.1" later (approx. measurement; I don't have it in front of me to check).

What worried me was that the pin was just about clear of the far side of the action wall.  I know that there is still shear strength on the one side, plus the bolt screwed into the rear spring guide block, but I'm concerned that left that way something bad could happen?
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I just ordered mine off of the website here: http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=214

Make sure to remove the spacer under the cocking linkage roller, otherwise there will be sideways pressure on the linkage.
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I think my cross-pin issue is solved!!! 8)

I had measured the diameter of my Whisper's action and found it to be 1.013".  I've been pretty busy and haven't had much time to shoot, so I had been keeping an eye out for something to cap the end of my action.  I know CDT says it should be OK, but the pin definitely moved on its own and that really bothers me for some reason.

Last weekend, I was at the hardware store picking up some stuff for the the yard.  I was walking through the plumbing section when something caught my eye.  I found a 1" copper pipe end cap that when measured was within 0.003" (smaller) than the rear of my action.  Copper is pretty malleable so I figured I could make it work.




I got home and found a deep-well socket that measured 1.015".  I measured and cut a slot into the copper to fit around the lug bolt using my dremel and then cleaned it up a bit with some files and sandpaper.  Next, I forced the copper cap onto the bottom of the socket until it reached the lip at the bottom of the slot.  I worked the socket under the lip (the socket was sitting a little cock-eyed in the cap now) and then set the cap on an anvil (any good flat and hard surface will work).  I took a small piece of masonite to pad the socket (NEVER hit a socket with a hammer!!!) and pounded the socket into the copper cap.  Once it bottomed out, I kept pounding on it to flatten the end.

After this minor work, the cap fit pretty well over the end of the action.  I pinched it closed a tiny bit with my hand so it was snug on the action, and slid it on.  It fits quite nicely, and doesn't look half bad.  It fits into the wooden stock pretty well too.









I've been shooting about 100 pellets per night this week, and it seems to be working just fine.  I was a bit concerned that it might ring like a bell when I fired the rifle, but I guess it is snug enough with the other parts that is is well dampened and doesn't make any noise.

Too bad this was so much easier than getting the correct end cap from Gamo.
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Offline derekmcminn

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Spray paint the copper with Rustoleum black and it would look like it was factory OEM.
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Offline CO_AirGunner

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Not a bad idea!  Or maybe I could do GOLD to match CDT's trigger... 8) ;-)
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Offline derekmcminn

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Actually, give credit to where credit is due, which is ALL  YOU.

You have given all of us a cheap alternative to an end cap
that apparently is impossible to get from Gamo. And if it works for
Gamo rifles, then it should work for other springers as well.

Great job!
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Offline Bob Fairchild

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Excellent job!!!  I enjoy seeing someone with initiative and ingenuity solve a problem.  Will send you a PM.

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Where did you buy the stock?  Internet search gives me no results.  Thanks!

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Right from Gamo USA: http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=214

(posted earlier about 1/2 way down)
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Offline gamo2hammerli

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Great DIY job CO AirGunner.  I might make one myself for my Crosman Sierra Pro.....the edge on the original plastic one is abit ragged due to prying it out a few times.  But then Crosman sell all their parts to the public not like Gamo......
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Re: SAFETY ISSUE CO Airgunner
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 01:26:12 PM »
If your cross pin is drifting out you need to put the gun back together like you got it new and send it back to Gamo. I pin is splined on one end and has to driven out with a pin and hammer. Not only that there is probably 70-80lbs of pressure maybe a little less that is resting on that pin when the gun is uncocked. As CDT said the cap is to fill the void at the back of the stock. I have a 440 on the bench right now and it took a little bit more than tapping to get it out and is was drifted off to one side more on this one. Last thing the bolt that you had to make the notch around for you end cap is screwed through the trigger bracket into the rear spring guide so even if the pin came all the way out you still have that bolt holding it together. Here couple pics to illustrate what I'm talking about. You are more than safe. You are correct on the cocking shelf. I believe it's cut lower on the synthetic stocks or they use a smaller roller guide I never really checked.
Jason
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Cross pin on my Whisper is not splind, or a press fit. When pressure is off the pin, you can move it with just fingers.

While I was installing the air ram I made sure it was flush on both sides before letting the ram pressure on it. After several shots I noticed it had shifted a few thousandths to the right  and has stayed there since. Guess that's where it's ' most comfortable'.

Paul.
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