.410's are easy to shoot, but hard to hit with -- not enough shot in the pattern. Your boys will do better with something like an 870 pump, .20 ga. youth model. For you, I would suggest and over/under 12 ga, particularly if your intent is to shoot skeet, trap, or sporting clay. If you think you would like to hunt dove or quail, you might want to go with a Beretta semi-auto 12 ga. The third shot comes in handy. If you want to shoot waterfowl (ducks, geese) you will need a 3" or 3.5" 12 ga. magnum. I would suggest a 2 3/4" over/under for you, though. Good basic shotgun. My tastes run toward the Brownings, especially the Browning Citori and Belgium Browning Light 12 and Light 20 semi-autos. Beretta makes good shotguns, too, but I see that the price of good shotguns has increased considerably over the last 20 years since I last bought one.