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RE: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 03:57:28 PM »


I think we overloaded neric . all he wanted was a quiet .22 and we went all medieval on the guy.



Good luck Neric I hope we didn't overload or confuse ya'



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RE: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2009, 04:02:25 PM »
The only quiet .22's are really those in Jolly Olde England.

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RE: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 04:37:14 PM »
Yup! hehe

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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2009, 09:56:45 PM »
This has all been very good,,,not overwhelming,,able to follow.

One place I looked online for the Marlin 39 was out of stock.

Paco Accurizing tool is a very interesting concept.

And yes I did have some thoughts about building my own lead dust collector from a "how to article'.  Noise level is my main concern.  

I have a Crosman Nitro coming tommorrow,  will see how quiet it is - which I imagine it is, but if it is hold sensitive - which I'm guessing it is - I'll probably send it back. I have enough hold sensitive springers the way it is now, don't really want another.  I have a Talon which is very nice but hand pumping in FL,,,,moisture is going be a problem.  This is the reason I've started looking into 'quiet' .22 firearms.  

Thanks for all the info.  I'll take time to mull it over
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RE: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 01:58:43 AM »
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 It is the "39A" which goes for over $500 new and about $350 - $400 for a good used one.  BQUOTE]

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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 04:00:05 AM »
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And yes I did have some thoughts about building my own lead dust collector from a "how to article'.  Noise level is my main concern.  


Please, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT making a lead dust collector for a rimfire!!!!  Doesn't even have to be mounted to be a Federal felony.  Get caught with one of those and you might be worrying about the noise level in the cell block!

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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2009, 05:01:41 AM »
All right then,,,no lead dust collectors it is.

After some wondering about the only really quiet .22 is over in Jolly Olde England,,,you meant the 12 fpe restriction.

Thanks fellas,,,,you all are great.
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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 01:53:37 PM »
No, there is no 12FPE restriction on Rimfire in England. LDC's are available over the counter there providing you have a firearms permit.

There's quite a few rifles for the European market that come with LDC's or the barrel is shrouded. Herein the USA, strictly a No No.

There are however a few states where they are legal, but you must fill out the paperwork and be approved by the BATF.

Go to rimfirecentral.com and check there. LOTS of good info on this subject.

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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 02:04:52 PM »
Hear Hear, as someone who has shot many many thousands of rimfire ammo rounds from a variety of rifles and pistols I humbly but assuredly offer an answer to the question.Most any lever action .22, or pump .22 or bolt action .22 or single shot .22 will reliably shoot any short case .22 rimfire regardless of whether it is a long, short or CB cap. CB caps  whether they are longs or shorts are the most inconsistent and weakest and most inaccurate of these rounds. The colibri is a novelty round that has little practical use. The high speed .22 shorts of any brand normally run in the 1150fps range with as much sonic crack as a long rifle round. Most all subsonic loads run in the 1030-1050 fps range and produce a noticible "crack" although not as loud as the faster standard and high speed rounds. Certain brands and lots may shoot a little slower and still be quieter than a typical sub-sonic round. The PMC .22 LR Moderators for example push a 38gr bullet from my rifle at 935 avg.fps.Still a distinct "crack" but not as loud as a typical sub-sonic LR round.The quietest but still effective for small game round is I humbly submit, the CCI Short Target round. 29gr bullet @ 830fps. No sonic crack from my Marlin 39A and out to 40 yds hunting accuracy. Chances are good that whatever air rifle you shoot will be just as loud or louder.Serious squirrel medicine.CB caps are quiet. But that is their only redeeming feature. I've never seen a barrel that could get better than about 2" groups past 15 yds with any CB round. Check out pawn shops and real gun stores for their used gun racks and you might find an old pump, lever or bolt action .22 that has a few scars that would digest these quiet rounds just fine.As far as accuracy and corrosion is concerned when shooting shorts of any kind. just remember that any barrel that is chambered for the longer case is compromised somewhat when you stick a shorter round in the chamber. The accuracy may not be quite as good as with a round that has the bullet engaging the rifiling immediatly upon leaving the case but it should still be pretty good in a good load. Yes the throat of the chamber does get fired with every shot when shooting shorts in a long rifle chamber but with normal barrel cleaning and maintenance, the barrel should be good for a lifetime.Small doses of propellant pushing soft bullets don't eat barrels very much.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2009, 02:05:31 PM »

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In Canada, a device to muffle or stop the sound of a firearm is a "prohibited device" under the Criminal Code.[14] A prohibited device is not inherently illegal in Canada but it does require an uncommon and very specific prohibited device license for its possession, use, and transport. Suppressors cannot be imported into the country.[15]



The United States taxes and strictly regulates the manufacture and sale of suppressors under the National Firearms Act. They are legal for individuals to possess and use for lawful purposes in thirty-eight of the fifty states. However, a prospective user must go through an application process administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which requires a Federal tax payment of US$200.00 and a thorough criminal background check. The $200.00 buys a tax stamp, which is the legal document allowing possession of a MuzzleBrake. The market for used suppressors in the U.S. is consequently very poor, which has driven innovations in the field (buyers want the height of technology, because they are basically "stuck" with the purchase). Primitive suppressors are available in other countries for under US$40,[16] but they are usually of crude construction, using cheap materials and baffle designs that were obsolete in the United States by the 1970s. While suppressors in the US are more expensive (hundreds to thousands of dollars), they are generally built with highly advanced baffle stacks and exotic materials like Inconel and high-grade heat-treated stainless steels. Several states and municipalities explicitly ban any civilian possession of suppressors.



The Federal legal requirements to manufacture a suppressor in the United States are enumerated in Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code.[17] The individual states and several municipalities also have their specific requirements

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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2009, 02:26:44 PM »
Any single shot .22 LR will shoot .22 short.
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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2009, 02:32:45 PM »
H&R makes a single shot .22..its about $130 bucks.
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Re: which rifles will shoot .22 shorts? not many know
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2009, 04:09:12 PM »
What I meant about England is that suppressors are legal there for rimfires.  You often see imports from the UK into the US having the barrel threaded for one.  As to finding a cheap pump or lever in a pawn shop, that's gotten to be a rare thing as most now have a dog-eared copy of the Blue Book of Gun Values.  Those old guns have risen quite a bit in value.  Even the Rossi pumps (early models as I mentioned) are bringing ridiculous sums on the auctions.  And the Winchesters, well, they are out of most shooters' leagues.

Still reasonably priced are the Remington 550's, Winchester 74's chambered for shorts and, of course, Mossberg tube-fed bolt actions (some of the clip fed handled shorts, too.)

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2009, 02:07:30 PM »
I have no issue with this post as it very clearly states what law and statue applies, and provides reference to them.
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