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Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« on: October 25, 2009, 02:05:25 PM »
Got some questions about converting QB78 tubes to tankers.  Figured it would be good to put the reply here.


Besides the tube and gas block, will need (or borrow):
1. masking tape
2. tubing cutter
3. hack saw (or Dremel tool)
4. Electric drill and drill bits (can use a closer sized drill, but 3/16th will work).
5. 1/4" wood chisel (or 3/4"..either will work)
6. Empty beer can (or Coke can)
7. strong scissors (or tin snips)
8. fine cut round file (for deburring edges/holes)
9. Silicon grease (can get it at Lowes or other hardware store.."Gunk" brand works fine).
10. Epoxy putty
11. pocket knife (or Exacto knife...or any kind of small knife)

1. Turns out all of my QB 79 gas tubes are cut to an over all length of just about 13 1/4", but anything from 13" to 13 1/2 will remove the treaded section.

2. Tape up the end at the expected cut with masking tape.

3. Run a TUBING cutter around the masking tape at your chosen length (call it 13 1/2"). Length isn't real important, you are doing one gun, not making a production run. You are NOT cutting the tube with the tubing cutter, are scoring a line evenly all around it (the tape is just to keep the tubing cutter's wheels from scratching the blue).

4. Remove the tape and cut along the scored line. Can use a Dremel and cut off wheels or a hack saw, just STAY ON TOP OF THE LINE ALL THE WAY AROUND and it will be pretty even.

5. FILE the end smooth and even...lot of checking to be sure it is even.

6. DEBURR the inside of the tube.  Any lip/burr here and it sill slice the o-rings of the tank block.

7. Cut two 1 1/2" long  by 1/4" wide strips of Al. BEER CAN (or Coke can).

8. Punch two small holes in one end of each Al. strip.

9. Lay them so that the punched holes line up with the tube mounting holes on the gas block (can run a nail though the block and through the holes on the Al. strips to hold that end in place) and tape them FIMRLY to the gas block on the other end.

10.Insert the gas block into the gas tube. take CARE that the top of the tube is really "up" and the gas block hangs  down....won't do to have the gas block at an angle.

11. The two Al. strips are on the outside of the gas tube...the holes are in the right spot for the threaded holes in the gas block...so mark the outside of the tube through those holes in the AL. strips.

12. Remove gas block and drill the tube for the mounting screws (want the hole to be close to the screw size).

13. Deburr the new holes on the inside of the gas block..they will cut the o-rings of the block unless smooth.

14. STOP…the tube is done. CLEAN IT…clean it again…really really clean it.  One metal shaving is enough to shread the valve stem seal…so be sure everything is clean-clean-clean.

15. Take the tape and Al. strips off the gas block. Lube the gas block's o-rings with silicon grease and insert it into the tube.  The holes should line up if you took care with steps #9-#12.

16. The mounting screws are there just to keep the gas block from shooting across the room,,,they don't "seal" anything, so don't crank down on them extra-extra tight our you'll just raise burrs on the inside.

17. I like to inlet the tip of the stock to surround the gas block (as is done on the QB79), which isn't that hard to do as you are basically cutting a square. Can do it with time and a 1/4" wood chisel (although a Dremel tool can help). Get the width close to tight. Don't feel you have to be too exact in depth, are going to epoxy bed the block to the inletting as you want the support the wood can give.  No need to add the stock screws unless you really want to.

18. With a little "extra"  depth, are going to use epoxy putty to bed the block. GREASE the bottom and sides of the gas block.  Kneed a lump  of epoxy putty about the size of a dime.  Spread it out on the bottom of the gas block inletting cut (make it about 1/8" thick).  Put the rifle back into the stock, and press down firmly...want the rifle to sit down in the stock right, and the gas block to squeeze out the extra putty.

19. Let it set until firm, but not rock hard.  Cut off the excess the squeezed out with a dull knife (or the edge of a credit card).

20. While still firm, but not quite rock hard, remove the action.  The putty will stay in the stock, and can clean the metal work and cut off any epoxy lips. edges with a pocket knife before it turns rock hard.

21. Should be go to go at this point, just reassembly and have fun.

On your own about barrel bands..some use them (I do) and others don't. Best choice is a QB 79 barrel band because of the way the cross screw runs (by design, the QB79 band allows a full diameter screw without needing to slot the barrel).
Robert

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 05:23:57 AM »
mr dean.....................outstanding write up ! now for those of us who have less than stellar visionary traits, how about a few pics to go with the tutorial ??

as always ...Thanks !!!!!!!!!


or...lol.......what would you charge to perform this service kind sir ?

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 11:02:45 AM »
Have another gas block on the way,  when it gets used will take pictures along the way.   Intention is to convert Crosman (which already has the bulk fill valve), but one bare cut off tube looks just like any other and the steps would be the same.  Might convert a .22 QB carbine rather than the Crosman...if so, will also order a riser breech and work it out so that a shroud ends about even with the end of an attached 13Ci air tank. If I go with the Qb conversion, can detail a simple stock inletting job as well.
Robert

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 01:57:34 PM »
thanks robert,...i'd appreciate any words/illustrations of wisdom you might provide..!!

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 03:04:59 PM »
Hmmmmm....This post just gave me an idea!!!

A Crosman 1377 converted to Bulk CO2!!!!

OOooooo.... The addiction is gettin BAD again..........

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RE: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions.. PICTURES ADDED
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 12:43:30 PM »
Added some pictures and expanded a couple of the steps...but no inletting pictures as of yet.
Got some questions about converting QB78 tubes to tankers.  Figured it would be good to put the reply here.


Besides the tube and gas block, will need (or borrow):
1. masking tape
2. tubing cutter
3. hack saw (or Dremel tool)
4. Electric drill and drill bits (can use a closer sized drill, but 3/16th will work).
5. 1/4" wood chisel (or 3/4"..either will work)
6. Empty beer can (or Coke can)
7. strong scissors (or tin snips)
8. fine cut round file (for deburring edges/holes)
9. Silicon grease (can get it at Lowes or other hardware store.."Gunk" brand works fine).
10. Epoxy putty
11. pocket knife (or Exacto knife...or any kind of small knife)

1.   Turns out all of my QB 79 gas tubes are cut to an over all length of just about 13 1/4", but anything from 13" to 13 1/2 will remove the treaded section.  The idea is to use a full length QB78 stock, with the gas block inletted into the front of that stock, so the exact length isn’t engraved in stone.  You just find the length that pleases your eye.   


2. Tape up the end at the expected cut with masking tape.


3. Run a TUBING cutter around the masking tape at your chosen length (call it 13 1/2"). Length isn't real important, you are doing one gun, not making a production run. You are NOT cutting the tube with the tubing cutter, are scoring a line evenly all around it (the tape is just to keep the tubing cutter's wheels from scratching the blue).

If you don’t have a tubing cutter to score a line into the tube, can very carfeully apply two strips of tape, with a small space between the strips…that space would act as you guide line.

4. Remove the tape and cut along the scored line. Can use a Dremel and cut off wheels or a hack saw, just STAY ON TOP OF THE LINE ALL THE WAY AROUND and it will be pretty even.
(The actual project  pictured was a Crosman tube…but I added a cut off sction of QB tube at the top to give you and idea of how much is getting cut.)


5. FILE the end smooth and even...lot of checking to be sure it is even.

6. DEBURR the inside of the tube.  Any lip/burr here and it sill slice the o-rings of the tank block.

7. Cut two 1 1/2" long  by 1/4" wide strips of Al. BEER CAN (or Coke can).

8. Punch two small holes in one end of each Al. strip.


9. Lay them so that the punched holes line up with the tube mounting holes on the gas block (can run a nail though the block and through the holes on the Al. strips to hold that end in place) and tape them FIMRLY to the gas block on the other end.


10.Insert the gas block into the gas tube. take CARE that the top of the tube is really "up" and the gas block hangs  down....won't do to have the gas block at an angle.

11. The two Al. strips are on the outside of the gas tube...the holes are in the right spot for the threaded holes in the gas block...so mark the tube with  punch through those holes in the AL. strips.



11 ½.  By using a punch, you get nice starting dimples for the drill.

12. Remove gas block and drill the tube for the mounting screws (want the hole to be close to the screw size).  The common size that is a close fit (closer than the factory holes in a QB79) is 5/32.
13. Deburr the new holes on the inside of the gas block..they will cut the o-rings of the block unless smooth.

14. STOP…the tube is done. CLEAN IT…clean it again…really really clean it.  One metal shaving is enough to shread the valve stem seal…so be sure everything is clean-clean-clean.

15. Take the tape and Al. strips off the gas block. Lube the gas block's o-rings with silicon grease and insert it into the tube.  The holes should line up if you took care with steps #9-#12.



16. The mounting screws are there just to keep the gas block from shooting across the room,,,they don't "seal" anything, so don't crank down on them extra-extra tight our you'll just raise burrs on the inside.

17. I like to inlet the tip of the stock to surround the gas block (as is done on the QB79), which isn't that hard to do as you are basically cutting a square. Can do it with time and a 1/4" wood chisel (although a Dremel tool can help). Get the width close to tight. Don't feel you have to be too exact in depth, are going to epoxy bed the block to the inletting as you want the support the wood can give.  No need to add the stock screws unless you really want to.

18. With a little "extra"  depth, are going to use epoxy putty to bed the block. GREASE the bottom and sides of the gas block.  Kneed a lump  of epoxy putty about the size of a dime.  Spread it out on the bottom of the gas block inletting cut (make it about 1/8" thick).  Put the rifle back into the stock, and press down firmly...want the rifle to sit down in the stock right, and the gas block to squeeze out the extra putty.

19. Let it set until firm, but not rock hard.  Cut off the excess the squeezed out with a dull knife (or the edge of a credit card).

20. While still firm, but not quite rock hard, remove the action.  The putty will stay in the stock, and can clean the metal work and cut off any epoxy lips. edges with a pocket knife before it turns rock hard.

21. Should be go to go at this point, just reassembly and have fun.

On your own about barrel bands..some use them (I do) and others don't. Best choice is a QB 79 barrel band because of the way the cross screw runs (by design, the QB79 band allows a full diameter screw without needing to slot the barrel).

Robert

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 01:28:57 PM »
mr dean...outstanding tutorial !! now my question is, with the gas block modification, what internal mods need to be performed to the '78 ? specifically, does the valve/piercing piv assembly for the 12gr cartidges stay intact ? does the piercing pin get modified or removed ?
sorry for the neophyte questions, but id rather ask first than make a dumb-@#$ mistake. thanks !!

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 02:24:06 PM »
You could leave the valve alone, and so long as running low pressure output (800-850psi) the valve stem seal will last awhile... it will blow sooner or later, and you'll replace it with a Delrin one (believe Mountain Air offers Delrin replacement valve stems).

The piercing pin will clutter up the gas flow, so if looking for max speed, would have to look through the forums for modifications to "tanker valve" (know I posted some stuff  quite some time back).  If looking for 11-13 foot pounds (in .22) could leave it alone for the time being as that level of power can be had with the standard valve using 800-850 PSI HPA(call it 14.3gr. at 600-640fps).


Most co2 guns are set to strike the valve a bit harder than needed with HPA.  Really about how long the valve stays open, air works better with a short dwell time (air flows easier/faster than heavy co2, so the valve should open and close a bit faster to keep from wasting air pressure).
Robert

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Re: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 04:45:25 PM »
okay, that makes sense. however, this qb is .177 and i'd be looking more at gaining fps. most of our shooting here is 45-70 yards on squirrel sized game, so a fast , flat trajectory woud be my goal.
i'll be doing some research for your older posts regarding the tanker valve mods.............

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RE: Qb78 to tanker tube conversions.. PICTURES ADDED
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 05:51:22 PM »
Robert thanks for the great information and illustrations.

How much longer is the shortened QB78 gas tube verses the standard QB79 gas tube?

Do you get any more shots from the QB78 bulk verses the QB79?

Do you get any higher pressures from one verses the other?

Thanks again
Todd