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Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« on: March 18, 2007, 09:06:27 AM »
Would a Crosman Quest main spring be a drop in replacement for a GAMO 440?

Thanks for your reply
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RE: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2007, 10:45:45 AM »
It will work and be no problem as it is a Gamo clone but not the best choice.
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RE: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2007, 10:56:56 AM »
Thanks for the reply Bob, I just ordered a 440 and was wondering if my back up springs would get me going again if one broke in the 440.  Guess I will need yet another CDT trigger.  Does this ever stop???
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Re: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2007, 01:17:53 PM »
OMG Dave, please if you use that quest spring, please don't post it here..... LOL  You will hurt my feelings....:(  I think those springs are Chinese made springs and if so you would not be doing your 440 any favors by using it... hehe.....

Let me ask you something..? hehe   Would you go to a Chinese restaurant and order a Rib Eye Steak....? NO... hehe

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Re: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2007, 03:50:37 PM »
The truth be known the Quest spring is stronger than a Gamo spring. I have had a couple of Quests and still have one that has over 15,000 shots and is still shooting strong.

The Quest spring in a Gamo does increase the power output some what but not enough to make a super magnum out of it. It does not make the rifle hasrh if it has been lubed correctly, the Tarantula is a harsher firing spring than the Quest spring.

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Re: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2007, 10:29:46 PM »
Thanks alot for the replies guys.  If the 440 I have on order is as good as my Delta (aka Daisy 1150), I will probably never have to replace the spring.  I just have this thing about having backup parts on hand in case of a breakdown.  The Delta was purchased in 1997 and has had many thousands of pellets through it, still shoots accurately, and at 540fps the last time I chronied it with GAMO match wadcutters.  It chronies faster on warm days, so that is when I check my guns now cause it makes me feel better.  I was going to try to figure out which Maccari spring would drop in both of my Quests and the 440, but it seems there is some spacing or new guides that need to be made from what I have read, so, the China springs would at least keep me running if need be.  I won't post about it due to Gene's sensitivity until I see a Quest or Phantom  in his list of babies. :)
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RE: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 01:20:12 AM »
The Quest spring is an option if money is an issue I suppose, even though you are not talking about big money here. The truth is pretty well known and quite a number of people out there are knowledgeable of the fact that the Quest spring  is "slightly" more powerful than the Gamo spring as well as most other after market springs.

 It's the same spring that they used in the B-18/19's and nearly all the other Gamo clones and nothing special to the Quest.  Those that have been around for a number of years are well aware of the fact the B18/19 were a bit more powerful than any of the Gamo's. But they also shot even more harsh than the Gamo with even more twang and vibration.

I also think  people  would want to weigh the trade off of a spring that has the harsh characteristics of the Quest (Chinese) spring over other alternatives. Power in the springer should not be the primary objective anyhow but rather the overall efficiency. There are a whole lot better choices even though they may cost a little more. Personally, I would never put a Quest spring in a paying customers gun....but... you get what you pay for.
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RE: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 03:05:42 AM »
Bob, what spring or springs would you suggest for a back up.  I didn't know that anyone else made aftermarket springs besides Maccari, and I didn't see any springs offered for sale on GAMO's site.

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Re: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 02:30:58 PM »
Contrary to some beliefs the Quest spring makes a pretty nice spring for a Gamo, the reason most springs break is not that they are a Chinese spring or a Spanish spring, it’s because they vibrate so bad with out any lube to dampen the harmonics in the spring.
The Quest I have left was tuned a few years ago and it has never given one bit of trouble even with thousands of pellets shot. My nephews two boys come over and they can go through a box of 1250 pellets in one afternoon with the Quest and they have been doing this for a couple of years. The nice thing is the spring is inexpensive and does a nice job in a Gamo and it fits the spring guide much better than the stock Gamo spring. The top hat is a little oversize to fit the spring but a new top hat can be ordered with a Quest spring and still cost less than a JM spring. Crossman has a flat $4.00 shipping charge and that makes a spring and top hat a bargain.

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Re: Quest spring in GAMO 440?
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM »
To each his own. I don't think its much of a bargain at all but that's my opinion as a pro-tuner having tuned hundreds upon hundreds of guns over the span of many years. It may be just a bit stronger but personally I think it's a terrible spring to use because of the characteristics of the spring when there are a couple of far superior springs. As I said, you get what you pay for and though the JM springs may cost more, I for one can tell you that of the hundreds and hundreds of JM springs that I have bought over many years and installed,  I have had only three of them break that I'm aware of and two of those were from admitted abuse. But the JM springs are subject to wear and tear just like any other spring and with time will fatigue eventually and perhaps even break. No spring is infallible, indestructible, or expected to last forever.

Unlike the Chinese guns, most Gamo's that come through have plenty of lube on the spring, in fact quite often, way too much. Although spring vibration and harmonics doesn't do the spring any good, it is rarely why a spring breaks. I have tuned guns that were many years old and  had many thousands of shots through them that were dry as a bone with all kinds of vibrations including Chinese springs that were not broken. Harmonics and lack of lube didn't break those springs. There are many factors that cause spring failure or fatigue. The wire can be too soft, too brittle or contamination when the wire is drawn and defective. Pretty easy to see when looked at under a microscope. Then there is  abuse, when guns are dry fired, too heavy a pellet or too light a pellet, bad piston seal, detonation, spring cant or a combination of any or several of the above. There are a couple of other reasons also.

Bottom line, unless you have good uncontaminated wire using the right steel composition, well drawn and formed and properly treated there will likely be premature spring failure. Well manufactured springs cost more because they use high quality wire and stringent quality control. Me... I use nothing but JM springs for not just Gamo's, but for RWS's,  FWB's, Chinese guns, AA's, Crosman, Wischco, Remingtons, Winchesters, Norico, BSF and all of the others that I work on because it's not worth it to me to use nothing but the best for my customers and recommend/suggest to others nothing but the best. Until someone can show and prove to me a better spring for the money, or even more money, the JM springs is all I would ever promote. As I said previously, you get what you pay for. Let me say that I'm not condemming the Quest spring. What I am saying is the Quest spring is far from the best alternative but by the same token, fills a need for some and that's fine. I just don't recommend them.  

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Plateshooter...
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 05:10:19 PM »
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