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Offline TCups

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Now it is deadly serious
« on: November 17, 2009, 12:32:16 AM »
Breast Cancer.

Did you catch NPR this morning?  It seems "new studies" show that doctors are wasting money and performing unnecessary procedures on young women in the attempt to diagnose breast cancers, some of which will never really cause any problem!  And the false alarms are a terrible price for the woman to pay if the extra tests or biopsy mammograms lead to turns out not to be cancer after all.  So, those "experts" now suggest:  Stop doing breast self examinations.  Stop doing screening mammograms in women until 50, and then, screen every 2 years.  Think of the money we will save.  Go ahead, put off getting that next mammogram.

The "experts" quoted in this latest torture of the facts are in the minority.  The American Cancer Society, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and the American College of Radiology still recommend screening mammograms beginning at age 40 and screening every year thereafter, not every two years.

Here's why:  The "sojourn time" in medical lingo is the time it takes from the point a new breast cancer is first detectible by screening mammography until the time the cancer is clinically apparent, either as an obvious, palpable mass or symptoms arising from distant spread of the cancer.  It represents, quite literally, the window of opportunity whereby screening mammograms have the chance to find a pre-clinical breast cancer, at an earlier stage in the cancer's life, and at a stage where the prognosis for breast conservation and a complete cure is much better.  

It is medically proven that screening mammograms, by detecting cancers earlier, saves lives.  There is and can be no debate on that point.  The debate is over the "cost" of doing so.

The average sojourn time of breast cancers in women age 40 is 1.4 years.  In women over 50, it is almost 4 years.  Breast cancers tend to be more aggressive in younger women (hormone effect) and in black women (genetics).  And in general, the faster growing, more aggressive cancers, at any age, are the killer cancers that contribute significantly to the overall mortality of breast cancer.

If the window of opportunity on fast growing cancers is less than the new proposed screening interval of 2 years (if at all, before age 50), then mammogram screening will continue to find the slower growing cancers, but begin to miss a large proportion of aggressive cancers in younger women -- the killer cancers.  The sad result is that the mortality rate, especially in young women, in the prime of their lives, the ones with families and small children, begin to die at a higher rate.  You may or may not remember the debates some 20 years ago about mammograms not affecting "survival outcomes" in women under 40.  DUH!!  If you don't screen at an appropriate interval, that is exactly right -- the younger women die at a higher rate, as will older women with more aggressive, fast growing cancers.

Add this fact:  the most common lawsuit in all of medicine is the missed or delayed diagnosis of breast cancer.  So doctors who do perform screening mammograms already have a target on their back.  It is sadly easy to roll a young woman in a wheelchair into the courtroom, no hair, dying of breast cancer, husband and kids at her side, and have an "expert" testify the doctors should have made the diagnosis earlier.  There is no more sympathetic figure for any jury.  

But this is just the beginning, a preview if you will, of what your government considers the best health care for everyone.  Tie one hand behind the doctor's back, pay them less, and do nothing to lessen legal liability through any meaningful tort reform and watch what happens.  Sound health care policy?  I think not.

Please share this with your wives, mothers and loved ones.  Please don't take a politician's word about what is best for your health.  Your very life may be at stake.

How is that hope and change working out for you.

PS:

Ms. Obama, when was your last mammogram?
Ms. John Edwards, when was your last mammogram?
etc, etc.

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RE: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 09:56:38 AM »
Thanks Tommy and hopefully everybody will read this and pass it on not only to women but also to the men in those womens lives. If there was ever anybody that is knowledgeable about this subject, it is you. We all thank you.
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Re: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 10:16:04 AM »
Thanks Tommy and it is just that kind of thinking that will bring the day that when we get to a certain age or with certain diseases they will pull the plug on us.. It is all about saving a dollar for a life...
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RE: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2009, 11:23:45 AM »


Thanks T, I'm passing this along.



The problem, at least to me, is that 'experts' tend to come out of every corner at the whim of whoever is paying the bill.





You sir, are one that I can trust to relay info to loved ones that I want around for as long as possible.





Thank you!


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RE: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 11:53:44 AM »
http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/USpstf/uspsbrca.htm

USPSTF Raises Recommended Mammography Screening Age to 50

The United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) has changed its recommendation on mammography screening, advising women to start at age 50 rather than 40. Since 2002, USPSTF had recommended screening mammography every one to two years for women ages 40 and older. The group's new guidelines, which are different from those of some professional and advocacy organizations, are published online in The Annals of Internal Medicine. They are likely to touch off more discussion over the benefits of screening for breast cancer. The National Cancer Institute says that it is re-evaluating its guidelines in light of the task force’s report. However, the American Cancer Society and the American College of Radiology both say they are staying with their guidelines advising annual mammograms starting at age 40. The cancer society, in a statement by Dr. Otis Brawley, its chief medical officer, agrees that mammography had risks as well as benefits but, he says, the society’s experts have looked at “virtually all” the task force and additional data and concluded that the benefits of annual mammograms starting at age 40 outweigh the risks. Other advocacy groups, like the National Breast Cancer Coalition, Breast Cancer Action, and the National Women’s Health Network, welcome the new guidelines. Researchers based the new recommendations on analysis of the efficacy of five breast screening modalities in reducing breast cancer mortality: film mammography; clinical breast examination; breast self-examination; digital mammography; and breast MRI. In announcing the change, USPSTF acknowledged that "there is convincing evidence that screening with film mammography reduces breast cancer mortality," but that the evidence is strongest for women ages 50 to 74 than for women ages 40 to 49. The strongest evidence is for women ages 60 to 69. The agency found no evidence of a benefit to screening for women older than 75 and no evidence to support clinical breast examination beyond mammography. The new recommendations do not apply to a small group of women with unusual risk factors for breast cancer.

Members of the USPSTF

http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstfab.htm#Members

These are academic types, public health officers, epidemiologists, statisticians, professors of health management and economics, nurses, a couple of primary care physicians and one peditirician as best I can tell.  Not one listed physician is a Radiologist, Oncologist, or Surgeon.  Further, they are empaneled by "The Agency for Healthcare Research and  Quality" and report to the Department of Health and Human Services.   Bureaucrats working for a government agency.

Or, in other words, the government's "panel of experts" who in the face of indisputable evidence regarding the benefits of breast cancer count the cost as "too high".  It could lead to a decision to deny mammography to those under 50 and cut the frequency of screening in half for those over 50.  This is how the future of medical care will be changed, and not for the better.

by The Associated Press
Posted on November 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM
NEW YORK  -- Most women don't need a mammogram in their 40s and should get one every two years starting at 50, a government task force said Monday. It's a major reversal that conflicts with the American Cancer Society's long-standing position. Also, the task force said breast self-exams do no good and women shouldn't be taught to do them.  For most of the past two decades, the cancer society has been recommending annual mammograms beginning at 40. But the government panel of doctors and scientists concluded that getting screened for breast cancer so early and so often leads to too many false alarms and unneeded biopsies without substantially improving women's odds of survival. "The benefits are less and the harms are greater when screening starts in the 40s," said Dr. Diana Petitti, vice chair of the panel.  The new guidelines were issued by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, whose stance influences coverage of screening tests by Medicare and many insurance companies. But Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America's Health Insurance Plans, an industry group, said insurance coverage isn't likely to change because of the new guidelines.
Experts expect the task force revisions to be hotly debated, and to cause confusion for women and their doctors.

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Re: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2009, 12:37:09 PM »
Good info indeed, and there should be the same (political/national) effort made concerning prostate cancer, ...

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Just the tip of the iceberg ...
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 01:37:08 PM »
... so to speak !   Back in July I visited my cardiologist for my umpteenth annual Stress EKG and Ultrasound tests as a follow-up to Quad Bypass surgery 5-6 years ago.   While there, he told me of a letter he, and all other members of the national cardiologits association had received from the Nobama administration.   It indicated that they had better think seriously about  making a 66% cut in all new advanced equipment acquisitions, and future appointment scheduling for Senior cardio-patients ... or else !

Along the same lines  those of you who are ex-Service ... and under treatment by the VA at their clinics ... may hear the same words I did at my recent 6-monthly appointment.   "In the future you will only be scheduled for check-ups every 8-months instead of 6 !"..    A simple calculatuion shows this to be a 25% cut in VA health care for veterans.    Additionally I was curtly told by the VA physician not to go into any details when reviewing my health status ... just a very brief summary, and then hustled out !

As one who left his native England many years ago to get away from the insidious growth of Fabian Socialism, I now find it has caught up with me again !   I lost my youinger sister about 13-14 years ago to pancreatic cancer because, under British nationalised health care, it took over 4 years to get her name to the top of the list for a simple MRI exam !

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RE: Just the tip of the iceberg ...
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 01:51:11 PM »
Just the beginning . . .  

Good to hear from you, Mick.  Hope all is going OK with your ticker.

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RE: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 09:33:51 AM »


 Its the beginning of the rationing... I must say that my good friend and gis 36 year old wife have been dealing with breast cancer for 2 years.. Johnny and kim were striken with this problem and it has devistated them.. She had a double removall...





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RE: Now it is deadly serious
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 10:42:21 AM »
Cancer and tumors are a drag, been there done that and when this stuff try's to kick you down, kick back. Ed
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