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Offline kirby999

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Getting ready to roll my own
« on: January 09, 2010, 08:11:18 AM »
Flyrod that is ....... LOL I spent an hour today, throwing together what is going to be my rod wrapping stand . I need to add a thread tensioner and spindle , along with some small screw hooks for thread guides . I got a few items in today for my first builds , but can't start until I get my blanks I've ordered . They're on backorder. I plan on making a super ultra light 6'6" 2 wt ; and depending on how it turns out , maybe a couple of 6' one piece fiberglass rods . I'll be using these this spring and summer for creek fishing . Anybody out there that shed some light on rod building , I'll appreciate all suggestions , I'm a rookie at this . LOL  kirby
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RE: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 09:15:15 AM »
NICE! I tried wrapping my own spinning and surf rods before and I just don't have the patience for it. Either I coulding find the blank's spine, couldn't get the eyes perfectly straight or too many bubbles in the epoxy.

Hell, if I had known you'd be wrapping you own rods I would've given you my home built Rod Lathe. I used an old sewing machine and a few other things. I ended up throwing it out a few months ago.

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RE: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2010, 09:45:21 AM »
The MOST important part of rod building is finding the blank's spine. I was never any goo at that. But you flex the rod against the floor and turn it until you feel it lop into the bend. Then there's your spine. If the spine is on the wrong side, the finished rod will wanna twist when to have a load on it. Casting won't be as accurate either.

You can make a thread tensioner from a piece of threaded nylon rod some nuts and a few nylon washers. All from home depot.  I built one and had it on a slider so I can keep the thread tracked while wrapping. But after a while I found that just using my fingers was easier and faster.

A small stick with a loop at the end made from an extra light gauge E string for a guitar make a great thread tieing tool. You could also make it from 1Lb mono, or even use a needle threader from a sewing kit.

The lever from a pair of Nail Clippers works PERFECTLY as a thread burnishing tool. Also a good thread cutter!

For epoxy & finish coat, you'll need a rod lathe to keep the rod spinning while it cures. Otherwise you'll get drips, blobs and thin spots. Also, when stirring your epoxy, keep the stir stick touching the bottom of the cup and stir SLOWLY to keep bubbles from forming. After the epoxy is mixed up, let it sit for a while so if there is any bubbles, they're rise to the surface and pop.

I used 20 minute epoxy for everything. It's easier to make a small batch of 20 minute then use it a few minutes before it starts to harden. 5 minute was OK, but for me it harded too fast.

A piece of Dacron line or something similar stretched tight from end to end on your jig will help to keep the eyes straight during layout.  1/8 inch masking tape from the autobody supply is really nice for holding the eyes to the rod before wrapping.

For the handle reaming, I used a homemade flap wheel reamer made from a dowel rod and a piece of 60 grit sandpaper. Just tape one edge of the sandpaper to the end of the dowel, then give it 2 wraps around. Chuck it up in a drill motor and go to town! Make sure to keep the grip tubes a little undersized so they slide on TIGHT. They loosen up over time. I used the old motorcycle grip trick to get em on and keep them there... HAIRSPRAY! hahaha. I know it sounds funny, but it works. A little aquanet helps them slide on and when it dries, it's like glue. Once you have the ends epoxied, then no worries about water loosening them up.

For finishing, I used a trick I sometimes used when I was painting bikes. I took a candle (used an acetelyene torch on bikes) and left Smoke Streaks on the rod before applying the clear coat. Gives the rod a sort of marbleized appearance.

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RE: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2010, 11:01:00 AM »
Great tips Sam; thanks . I'd read about finding the spine thing , I hope I can do it . Also saw it on Youtube . There's a whole tutorial on how to build a flyrod over there . I've watched most of them and plan on watching them again ; before I start . As far as getting the eyes straight , that is one of my biggest worries , but if I can manage to get a serviceable rod built I'll be happy . I'm not out to do this for nothing except a hobby . I plan on using varnish ; probably a marine grade , on the thread wraps , putting it on thin , with a lot of coats ; to "seal" the threads . Shouldn't need a rotating drying stand . We'll see how it goes . kirby
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Re: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 08:52:02 AM »
The best thing for a drying stand is an old rotisserie motor from a grill or stove. The rpm are just the right speed for drying a rod. I used to do my own surf rods but it got to the point that I could buy one for the same money it took me to make one. If you can find a way to mount one of those laser line tools to the grip or reel seat that will help you in aligning the guides

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Re: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 05:18:30 AM »
http://rodbuilding.org

More information on this site than you can probably use.  Many folk today have passed on  the necessity for spining a rod. The current thinking leans to the idea of building on the straightest axis.  Mudhole.com also has a tutorial as I recall.  Practice on a dowel rod and you will save yourself some grief. These are fairly short rods so guide  alignment should not be that big of a issue. (You can also spine the rods by pressing down on the tip while the butt is on the floor which is the fastest and easiest for a short rod. I spent way too much time and money worrying about spining a fishing blank)  You should wrap tight enough so that there is a little wiggle room for adjusting the guides before finishing.   My suggestion is rod bond for the handles and reel seat.  If you need to ream a round file will work well for your size grips.  Chances are the butt will not be much bigger than a 1/4 inch which is the size most premade grips are bored.  Good luck.
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Re: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 01:58:55 PM »
Thanks ; John
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RE: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 03:30:39 PM »
Hey Buddy,,,, Next time we get together at Genes I think I can help Ya on this. I have not done it in awhile but its kinda like riding a bike. Got Ya covered Buddy!!:p LOL!! Still mad at Ya about "Lil Shiney"!!:p No R-7 in SC,,,,, Tim.

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 06:29:21 AM »
I redid my wrapping stand , making it adjustable and adding a thread stand and tensioner . shown here wit the butt section of the American Tackle Matrix 6' 6" rod after I had epoxied the reel seat and cork handle on . Now I'm waiting on the correct guides , I had to reorder today . kirby
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Re: Getting ready to roll my own
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 01:55:39 AM »
You will have to build more rods since you have an improved wrapper.  When you build another you will improve the wrapper again.  The cycle repeats itself.  You are starting down the rod building slippery slope into the rabbit hole.
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