benji trail xl np

[mvhunter]

been looking at this rifle alot... what do you guys think of it.....i want to purchase the 22 cal version sounds like a real killing machine....do you think its got the power to knockdown a coyote?....my dad been seeing coyotes around his chiken coop....and im gonna spend some time at his  house and see if i take one out...i could use my 410 gauge but id rather drop him with an air gun...would the 25cal work better?   i think that 22 has more ft lbs?   i appreciate your input..thanx in advance,       Carlos





http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Trail_NP_XL/2052

[daveshoot]

My guess is yes, a .25 would work better. The heavier bullet and bigger hole generally kill things deadest, assuming they are as accurate. A .22 would likely do it at these power levels, though. "Shot placement is everything."

And I too am seriously considering this as one my next guns. Personally I want the NPSS in .22, and then I want another Marauder in .25. I don't think I will buy many airguns this year, and I have enough already that I can afford to be judicious. Just about everything I want seems to be available from Crosman Corp (under their various brands) and I think that's pretty cool.

[airiscool]

One thing I noticed is that the Trail NP XL is 5 .25 inches longer than all the other Trail models including the Remington Nitro.

My guess is the ram is higher pressure than the others to get the added speed and they had to lengthen the barrel to get more leverage to cock it.


4 foot plus is alot of rifle to swing !

Paul.

[dk1677]

Yea that's long! an inch longer than my RS3 only slightly less weight too  but that gas ram sounds nice

[LongIslandArcher]

The longer the pellet stays inside the barrel, the faster it will travel out the bore.  It's utilizing more of the pressurized air in order to go faster.  It's like shooting a gun with a 6" barrel vs. a gun with a 3" barrel - the longer the bullet stays in the barrel, the more powder burns behind it, thereby giving it greater velocity.  Take the 3" barrel gun and half the powder will burn outside the muzzle.  And yes, the powerplant on the XL is probably a bit more powerful.  I'd like to take one of those and put it in my NPSS, if it'll fit.

[mvhunter]

thanx guys i appreciate all the input....this rifle will definetly make it into my collection...they claim 1100 fps  i wonder how close they really get to that power.   if it gets 1000+pfs its a definet powerhouse....

[robinsonmac]

It's a 30fpe rifle so one can get the fps of various pellets w/ a little math.  A 14.3 pellet needs to go 975 fps to put out 30 fpe.

[RedFeather]

I would guess that the compression tube on this big gun is larger than on the Nitro to get a bit more power. Either that or the stroke. The longer barrel should only aid in cocking. Unlike a CO2 or PCP gun where the gas is still expanding in the bore, the springer only puts out so much air and the pellet accelerates to max speed in short order. Since some chopping experiments have concluded that 13 inches seems to be a minimum length before speed falls off, I would think that's about where the pellet peaks in fps. Eveything after that is drag.

Use the .410 with a pumpkin ball.

[airiscool]

"...........It's a 30fpe rifle so one can get the fps of various pellets w/ a little math. A 14.3 pellet needs to go 975 fps to put out 30 fpe............."


I don't think you can say all pellets are going to be a certain foot pounds of energy in an air rifle. The actual speeds of pellets vary too much to say a gun will put out 30 fpe with just any pellet.

My guess is, for advertising purposes, they used a pellet that would give the highest fpe the gun could produce, not the average. The 30fpe they are rating the XL at may only be attainable with one or two types of pellets - and like Gamo rating their guns using their Raptors, quite possably pellets that few if any of us would ever use. Or, pellets that may evetually damage the gun.

With the usual range of 22 cal pellet weights my gun produces 12-15 fpe. If I use a Gamo Raptor it jumps to 16.72 fpe (9.9gr - 872fps @ 1000+ft above sea level). Sounds great in advertising until you find out the Raptors don't shoot worth a darn in most guns, and may break springs.

Plus, using the fpe can be misleading. Heavy pellets generally retain energy better than lighter pellets. My best hunting pellets don't produce high fpe readings at close to muzzle measuring distances, but being heavier than the higher fpe Raptors they retain their energy much better out at hunting ranges. So the highest fpe pellet may not be the best to use for anything, except for advertising.

Too bad the air rifle manufacturers don't all use the same standard pellet to compare with.

I think we'll just have to wait until the XL is out in the hands of shooters who do measure pellet speeds before we'll see some the real world numbers.

Paul.

[Gene_SC]

This is a newer version of the Super Streak.

[robinsonmac]

Not to get too technical but a 30 fpe gun will shoot "around" 30 fpe no matter what weight pellet your using.  A heavy pellet will be slower but still be around 30 fpe. Same goes for the light pellets.  In the Crosman catalog they said they used their lead free pellets to get the FPS numbers. I never used the word average. The 30 fpe is the max the gun can do. So just for your sake,  the gun will most likely shoot between 27-30 max fpe depending on the pellet weight.  Best thing to do is wait for the gun to be released buy one & tell your findings to stop all the speculation.

[RedFeather]

This 30fpe business is being discussed over on the Dianawerk Collective forum. As I mentioned there, when you get into the 30fpe realm with a springer, things begin to become difficult. The mechanics grow harsher, scopes are damaged, stock screws, etc, loosen more readily and accuracy can go out the window, especially with lighter pellets. To make an analogy with firearms, not too many guys shoot target with .458 Winchester Magnums, although that's a pretty accurate round.

About 30fpe and real-world power. Compare it to one of the most modest of firearms small game loads - .22 Short, 29 grains, 1045fps. The Short will, depending upon the gun, do between 50fpe and 70fpe. That's 2/3 to double the power of the 14.3grain pellet. The Short is rated good out to fifty yards with open or peep sights and up to seventy-five with a scope. Not many will shoot game out to one hundred yards with this weakest of game loads. How does the 30fpe gun compare?

The original Super Streak is not what I would call a Gentle Giant. The addition of a gas ram in the Trail will go a long way in making it a better shooter.

[robinsonmac]

Again, please read the whole post.  The words used were "around" ,  "Max" & 27-30 FPE or this little gem......"the gun will most likely shoot between 27-30 max fpe depending on the pellet weight." ................Man!

[LongIslandArcher]

Do you know if the gas ram used for the NP XL will fit the Super Streak?