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Re: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2010, 02:36:34 AM »
The Benji SuperStreak isn't quite like the Gamo and does breaks down differently and there is no cross pin in the spring block. You need to be careful when disassembly and removing the plug and when assembling not to damage the threads in the action or on the plug. It will also require a spanner wrench that you will probable need to devise.

Also, with the exception of the rotary in the CFX when removed, seals are rarely damaged when removing the piston assembly. Depending on the manufacturer, they are almost always damaged to some degree during the assembly process.

Also, it's not even possible to de burr critical areas without removing the piston and deburring before removing the piston, even though you may think it is clean, can very easily impregnate the seal with minute particles of steel as it is removed. In any case, the seal should be replaced if possible anyhow if there is any vi sable damage that occurred during the factory assembly.
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Re: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2010, 02:52:30 AM »
Hey Dave... it's an interesting story but a story best not revealed as it could cause issues for others. But... he does have one.
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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2010, 06:20:41 AM »
Thanks for the info on taking the trail np apart. The scope is a non-issue, the mount is a pictinny rail welded to the reciever ( no movement there) I did get this from Jim Stanis at precision airguns in Michigan. The Chrony shots were as follows:
21g kodiaks .22 - 785 fps
18.1 g JSB jumbo heavies - 833 fps
15.8 JSB Jumbo exact - 870 fps

They claim 1150 fps but with alloy pellet, probably a gamo raptor

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2010, 06:58:58 AM »
Thanks Ron,

18.1 g JSB jumbo heavies - 833 fps
15.8 JSB Jumbo exact - 870 fps

WOW !
That's 238fps faster for the Jumbo heavies, and 184fps faster for the Jumbos than my gas Whisper is does with thoses same pellets. That gas ram's got quite a bit of 'umph' in it and it's not even broken in.

 That things throwing Jumbos at speeds mine can only equal with Craptors.

How's the accuracy looking so far - have you had a chance to put pellets to paper ?

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Re: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2010, 07:12:43 AM »


No prob, and I am excited about the whole NPSS line-up. Would love to hear how they stack up against each other! If secret squirrel stuff is involved, so much the better.



But that 9 pound weight put me off a little. I would like a 7 pounder to leave by the door or carry afield.

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2010, 09:42:20 AM »
I have approx 100 rd through it, so it is breaking in a bit. Just got my grt III trigger adjusted, so far it's at approx 1" groups at 20 yds, I know it will do better when it gets about 200 though it. It still diesels a bit. I need to open it up and relube the piston with moly, that will help. I believe for the price that this gun has great potential. It is built like a tank. I've been doing some remoldeling this weekend, so I was a little shaky on the trigger. This week I will really shoot it and report back. Can't wait for the .25 cal with laminate stock.

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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2010, 11:48:45 AM »
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CharlieDaTuna - 2/14/2010 10:52 AM Hey Dave... it's an interesting story but a story best not revealed as it could cause issues for others. But... he does have one.
Ok Bob,,,,,, you BETTER call me!! Now,,,,, you know I got "Issues",,,,,,, one of em being I want one of dem guns!!:p LOL!! Tim.

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2010, 12:54:10 AM »
Thanks Ron. Can't wait to hear about more results.

Tim,
Your not the only one !!!! I'm itching to get one also.

Sounds like it will make a very good Woodchuck gun. According to Chairgun, out at 60 yards it's still got more FPE than my Whisper does with the same pellets at the muzzle !!!!

But, I gotta save up before I can push the button.

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2010, 11:49:50 AM »
tore the whole gun apart this evening and did a tune. The gas ram is under a slight preload, but when you unscrew the rear plug (it is threaded approx 3/4" deep) after a few turns then there is no preload and you can just unscrew it. Took out the ram and piston with seal. The seal looks to be nylon or some synthetic material and is cupped. I cleaned all the chinese oil out of it and smoothed out the tube and took all the burrs out. Surprisingly, there weren't many, in fact it was pretty smooth. Then I used moly grease for the air chamber and seal. Polished up all the rough parts on the cocking linkage and buffed the trigger parts. I put it all back together and man is it smooth now. No more burning oil smell. So for under 300.00, I believe it's a mighty fine air gun. I will run it through the chrony again to see how it shoots with the moly. Total time was approx 1 hr. Very easy to disassemble. You may even get more power if you could preload the ram a bit more, may also try that later.

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2010, 12:49:53 PM »
Sounds like it couldn't get any simpler than that.  Don't even need a spring compresser.

Something to keep in mind when you try shimming to get more preload. The ram may be at max length, or very close to it, now.

I tried to shim the ram on my Whisper. Wasn't even room for a thin washer to be added before it would bottom out the ram piston and not allow the gun piston enough travel to cock. At the point the ram piston bottomed out, the barrel has alot of leverage advantage and the ram's rod started to bend with just slight force on the barrel.

I was able to straighten the slight bend in the ram's rod, then I just put everything back as it was.  

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 12:17:17 PM »
suntz, I've enjoyed reading your post on the Trail XL. I have one on order, and the gas piston design intrigues me. I also really like the idea of the integral scope mounting rail. I would like to do a clean and moly re lube as you have just done, but not sure if I have the courage to take a new one apart. Regards
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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 01:06:05 PM »
Hey Jim.... glad to see you back and was finally able to get back on again. Welcome back and sorry for the problems you had getting back on.
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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2010, 12:47:44 AM »
Kaz, not a problem, I thought it would be tough, but it was easy. First thing I did was remove the barrel. Don't cock the gun, just unlock the barrel by slightly smacking it to free it from the breech. Then I removed the linkage from the trigger group (1 e-clip and small spring) I forgot to mention, take off the stock. Then tap out the pin that holds the linkage to the barrel. Now the barrel will come off(it is a tight fit) Now you have the linkage and barrel off. Now take the rear trigger stud off (part the stock screws into. It is snug because it has blue loctite. Next you have to remove the end cap. You will need a spanner wrench. I didn't have one so I used two metal dowel pins spaced in a vice. The I put the gun  up so the end cap would go down on the dowel pins. I used a rubber strap wrench around the receiver tube and scope mount and turned it a few turns, not on very tight. Actually the end cap has teflon tape wrapped around the threads. The piston has a slight preload, after a few turns it is unloaded and can be turned off by hand. Remove the end cap and the spacer behind it. Next you will remove the trigger group, it should just slide backwards out of the slot on the tube. Remember how it was laid in there for the sear position on the piston when you  reassemble  it. Nest, the piston will slide out. Now you are done, just clean the crappy chinese oil out of it. (careful could contain contaminates, you know, chinese products) I took a wooden dowel rod and some 120 grit sand paper and de burred it a bit (wasn't much to deburr, actually pretty smooth) Then I did the whole tube with scotchbrite to give the grease somewhere to hold on to) I used a moly grease on a shotgun swab to burnish the grease in, a little goes a long way. The I did the piston seal with a little. I put a little, very little on the face of the seal. I heard you could use a dry type moly also. You could at this time chamfer the air transfer port, may get you a little more air flow. I also de burred and polishesd the linkage parts and added a GRT III trigger for Charlie. I used a different grease on all the non- airchamber parts, your choice. The put back together in reverse order. Should take approx 1 hour. The tip of the gas ram should be lubed also, it fits in the back of the piston. When I first shot the benji, it smoked so bad and you couldn't stand the smell. Sometimes it sounded like a .22 rifle because of the dieseling, but that's all gone now. Hope this helps, sorry I didn't take any photos, I will on my next one though.

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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2010, 01:16:55 AM »
suntz, you really came through! Thank you for taking the time. Your detailed description made it seem like there were pictures. I'm hoping that they are able to ship my rifle next week. Regards
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RE: BENJAMIN TRAIL NP XL
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2010, 03:24:27 AM »
I shot through the chrony today, seems like I lost about 10 fps with the moly, but cleaner burning and smoother shooting, it may come up, the ram isn't fully broken in yet. My groups are starting to get tighter. At 20yd I am shooting 3/4 with kodiaks. When I first started, they were over an inch, so I think it will get better as I approach the magic 200 pellet breakin period as per crosman, we will see.