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Offline onemountain

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Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« on: April 04, 2010, 06:23:29 AM »


First off, loooooooong time no post for me! Been busy busy busy busy. Ugh. Nice to see y'all somehow managed to keep the forums going without me, or really I should ask if anyone here remembers who the heck I am lol.



Anyways, I'm looking to get a .22 backpacking gun this summer. While I've always been a bolt action sort of fellow, I'm leaning toward an autoloader for this one.



Now, this forum has its fair share of differences of opinion, but they're civil and some sort of consensus can usually be established. But after hours and hours of skimming rimfire/firearms forums, apparently no one can agree on .22 autoloaders. At all. Ever.



The three I'm interested in right now are:



Ruger 10/22



Marlin model 60



Remington model 597



The problem is that a thread debating the 10/22 and model 60 typically seems to go something like this:



MarlinDude: My model 60 is, like, sooooooo awesome.



RugerGuy: Pishhh. Whatever. My 10/22 is like, so awesomER!



MarlinDude: yeah right! My '60 is stock and totally outshoots a stock 10/22!!!



RugerGuy: My 10/22 can totally outshoot your model 60!



MarlinDude: That's only cuz you got a replacement barrel.



RugerGuy: A stock 10/22 could kick your silly little 60's bum any day!



MarlinDude: You mean when it's not jamming!



RugerGuy: Jamming?! 10/22's don't jam. But Marlins do!



MarlinDude: Um, your just jealous cuz your 10/22 is so ugly!!



RugerGuy: Nuh uh!



MarlinDude: Yeah huh! *makes face*



RugerGuy: No, your model 60 is ugly, and so are you! *thumbs nose*



MarlinDude: *bans RugerGuy*



RemingtonMan597: Why are you guys so mean??



MarlinDude: *Bans RemingtonMan*



MarlinDude: *logs off to go play troll on a 10/22 forum*





..you get the idea. So, any advice on which of three to go with? I'm not interested in adding all sorts of fancy-dan upgrades. I just want something that shoots accurately and reliably out of the box.



One other thing: what's the length of pull on each of these cute little devils?



Thanks in advance, folks!

Yea, though I walk through the garden in the shadows of pests,
I will fear no squirrel: For thou art with me;
thy scope and thy trigger, they comfort me.

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Offline Dave1899

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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 07:42:41 AM »


Not on your list but I have a Marlin Papoose which is a GREAT back packing rifle. Check it out. YouTube - Marlin Papoose .22: Top Survival Rifle Other wise I like the Ruger 10/22 cause you can do so many things to it to customize to your likings The Model 60 is a good rifle as well and holds 17 rounds in the tube where the 10/22 has only a 10 round mag. The LOP is13 3/4" on the 10/22 and about the same with the Model 60.



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Re: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 08:13:38 AM »
Yes, I resemble that. The Marlins are sorta sickly looking little things. My Ruger 10/22 Deluxe Sporter is far better looking, and shoots great. ;-)

Ruger also makes a "compact" version of the 10/22.

Ruger LOP for standard carbine it's about 13-3/8". On the compact rifle it's 12-3/4". The barrel on the compact is about 2 inches shorter.

My brother likes his bolt action CZ rimfires. I can tell you the CZ452 in 17HMR can give you a one inch pattern at 100 yards. Have not shot the .22, but I wouldn't think of these as a backpacker.

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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 09:19:10 AM »
If your gonna backpack what about weight ??

I should think that number of rounds it will hold and length of pull are not as much a deal breaker as simple, reliabile, and light weight.

Kid who worked for me does alot of back packing. He's 6-3 tall, already had a Ruger 10-22 , but he bought a Papoose for back packing. He said the Ruger got heavier and heavier the farther he hiked, and in the woods it was more of a pain to clean if it got dirty, or dry off if it got wet.

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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 09:36:40 AM »
What is your budget?
Open sights?
For "backpacking" a 22LR, I might be inclined to suggest you consider a pistol (Browning Buckmark) or maybe something like a Ruger Charger.  If, instead, you are looking at a rifle, you might want to look into a Browning SA 22R takedown rifle.

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about the papoose..
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 09:40:03 AM »
if one takes down and reassembles the rifle, does a scope lose its zero?
Yea, though I walk through the garden in the shadows of pests,
I will fear no squirrel: For thou art with me;
thy scope and thy trigger, they comfort me.

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Offline onemountain

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well,,,
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 09:43:11 AM »


I have a bit of a hand tremor that rules out pistols for me if I want much accuracy, else it'd be a no-brainer to just throw in a kit gun :(



as for budget, I really want to keep it under $300, preferably under $250



And ya, I like 'em with open sights, even if I scope them. Just in case. Plus open sights are more fun :D

Yea, though I walk through the garden in the shadows of pests,
I will fear no squirrel: For thou art with me;
thy scope and thy trigger, they comfort me.

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Offline jay morgan

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Re: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 10:00:48 AM »
All the things said above are true,10/22 more compact,marlin easier too load, and like you said not interrested in modding(10/22 by far), front site of marlin to wide for my likeing(I have 2) & I use scopes on them,if weight is not a prob. cz is very nice& acc. as heck & for semi look at a t/c benchmark, both of this are adult size & nicely built (my t/c's one target the other a nice hunter) can & do shot 1/4  10 shot groups 50yds all day, the benchmark with a sweet-22 scope(bullet drop adj. turret) hits all clay bird fragments at 200 yds no jokeing, if lite is it paposse or A/R7 charterarms (I think still making it if not someone is). if it's just for pottihg why not a 22. pistol??? LATER ON !!!!
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RE: well,,,
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 10:05:35 AM »
not a .22 but the savage low budget .17 HMR weight is the same as 10/22 with a bolt but i think it is available as auto and is far more accurate than .22 at any range.... JUST MY 2 CENT.

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Re: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 10:08:25 AM »
I would debate that, Hey we sound like the other post he read LOL ?
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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 10:22:22 AM »
I do believe that the 10-22 is a more robust system than the Marlin 60.    However, buy what you like.   And if you don't like your 1st choice, then sell or trade  for the 2nd choice.

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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 11:20:23 AM »
10/22 hands down the WINNER !!!  They offer a nice side folding stock which would make it perfect for your needs.

Forgot to add. The new 10/22 have a plastic trigger and trigger guard.     I went out and bought one more w/ the metal trigger & guard, still NIB....can't have to many :emoticon:

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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 01:27:58 PM »


I don't want to twist your head, but...



The rifle hase been my favorite "survival rife" since they were first made, and I have the 10/22, and other .22 cal. rifles.



Now if your talking about a stump shooting rifle, that's a story of a different color !



The Henry U.S. Survival rifle as it is now called, is currently manufactured by Henry Repeating arms in New York. It is an ultra-compact, ultra lightweight rifle that quickly dissassembles into 3 parts,and fits inside its own buttstock. The gun comes finished in camo, black, and for some reason, Silver? ...not sure what the thinking was there.



The buttstock will alsoaccommodatetwo 8 round clips. No special tools are required to break down or assemble the weapon. Durability has been maximized by coating the internal parts, as well as the ABS covered steel barrel, withTeflon. The buttstock madefrom black polymeris marketed as waterproof andimpervious toweather, however some owners have occasionally reported otherwise.Thegrooved receiver riballows forscope mounting, however there is no room to keepthescope in the buttstock, so itmust be stored / carried separately. The Henry survival rifle is purpose built as a survival rifle, originally intended for useby pilots, butis widely recognized and used by outdoorenthusiastsof all kinds.







~ Can be taken down intovery compactsize.
 ~Durableconstruction.
 ~Ultra Light - 2.5 lbs.
 ~Affordable price.
 ~8 round magazine capacity. detachable.
 ~ Accuracy suffers with light weight& removable barrel.
Caliber:
Operation:
Stock:
Capacity:
Finish:
MSRP:
.22LR
Semiauto
Polymer
8 rds.
Blk / Camo / Silver
$205

HenrySurvival Rifle


courtesy Henry Repeating Arms Company





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RE: Hey all!! / need some rimfire advice :)
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 01:57:54 PM »


Out of the box -



Marlin is more accurate. Trigger cannot be worked much. Needs cleaning regularly to keep it working well.



10/22 is OK but not quite so accurate. Easy to rebarrel with a match chamber, but may need new extractor. Basic gun is vastly improved with aftermarket trigger and/or hammer. You can add the bells and whistles later, if you want.



597 had a lot of jamming/misfeed and even rim blowout problems on the early guns. New mags are supposed to be ok. You can also get new barrels and triggers for these. Seem to be better guns now.



CZ452 will run you $300 - $350, especially since they are being replaced by the 455. They make a cadet model with short barrel and LOP that would be a GREAT backpack gun. Can be had for about $300, used and in good shape. These guns are accurate and the stock trigger is pretty decent. (You can get a spring and shim kit for about $20 to make them even better.)



I recently looked at one of the survival rifles. Pretty crude compared to the others. It's a basic gun but that's about it.



You won't find a Browning takedown in your price range. Not even a Remington 241 (same gun from the 30's/40's).