Is the 440 worth $15 more than the 220?

[vinceb]

That's the price difference for Natchez refurbs. I realize that the sights and the stock is the only real difference... but are they $15 nicer on the 440?

[Gene_SC]

I personally would think so because I own a 440 But CharlieDaTuna would be able to show you the difference if any.

One other note. That also depends on how much the 220 costs.....

Gene

[CharlieDaTuna]

The only real difference is the stock Vince... and to me, $15.00 is woth the difference. It is much prettier. But Gene does make a good point about the price of the 220 going in.

[vinceb]

It's $80 vs. $95.

BTW, Charlie - you were right about the Benjamin Legacy 1000. Nothing but problems... the absolutely worst thing is the rough cocking, rough because the upper rear of the piston is gousing the heck out of the upper rear of the compression tube.

I've got an email to Crosman to find out if there's anything that can be done about that.

[CharlieDaTuna]

A good buy in my opinion if they did a good job of reman. They usually do but every once in awhile a bad one gets through.

vinceb:

I'd say that the answer to your question is yes, particularly if you are going to scope the rifle.

The difference is that the 440 comes with a recoil pad.  The 220's don't or, I should say, none of them that I have seen did, but I haven't seen one lately.

The recoil pad doesn't just protect you from the shock of getting thumped with recoil.  It also helps spread out that force so that your scope doesn't feel it.

-JP

[vinceb]

I never thought the recoil pad would contribute to scope longevity, especially since it seems that the worst of the recoil is in the forward direction.

But you're right. The 220 does not have a recoil pad, and neither do the B19 and Quest near clones.

In any case, I'm going for the 440. The consensus seems to be universal.

Vince:

You're correct about most of the recoil in a "springer" being in the forward direction.  It is also true that many scopes on the market are still made with internal bracing to cope with forward recoil only.

So where does the recoil pad come in to play as a "scope saver"?

Well, it isn't just the forward recoil that kills the scope.  It is also the rapid, "double-snap" and change in direction that helps the death process along.

Just as the recoil pad "spreads out" this recoil on your shoulder, it can also contribute to spreading out the "time moment," for lack of a better term, in the transition from rearward to forward recoil.  In other words, it can take some of the "snap" out of the spring-piston rifle's unique, bi-directional recoil.

-JP

[vinceb]

My 440 refurb ($100) is on its way. It oughta be delivered Monday.

[rabbit]

Vince,

     I think you made the right decision. I hope you get a good one. Best of luck...

                                             Rabbit    

[Gene_SC]

Great buy Vince, hope you get a good one.

Gene

[vinceb]

The 440 IS almost just like a Shadow!

The stock on the refurb 440 I just got has a couple of blemishes (nothing I can't live with), and ditto for the metalwork. It cocks nice and smooth, though the pivot is a bit tight. I'm sure that'll wear in. It has the "better" rear sight, although I'm not sure just yet if it's really a step up. No numbers on the elevation dial - that's a bit of a bummer. From what I could tell in the first few shots, though, it does shoot nice'n straight.

But other than the different feel of the stock - it is just like shooting a Shadow. I'm happy with it for $95 (infinitely better than the refurb Benjamin Legacy 1000 I got for $5 more), but I'm also sorta glad I didn't pay $180 fer it...

[Gene_SC]

Good Vince...

Glad it came with no big problems. I love my 440 also..

Gene