Need help dissasembling shadow 1000!!!

I'm trying to take the spring out of my shadow 1000, except I can't get it out!  I'm confused on what I'm supposed to do.  Can anyone help me?  I have a spring compressor.  It isn't going as easily as my daisy 1000s.  With that I just put a little pressure on the action in the compressor, and the lock pin came out with ease, but when I put pressure on the shadow nothing happens.  I used a tie thing to tie the sear in the upright position, but that didn't seem to help anything.  I took off the big screw which seemed to be holding the trigger to the gun, and I took off the e-clip that held the cocking arm like thing to the trigger.  I am getting frustrated!  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried a few step by step instructions but they haven't helped.  Can someone help me?  Thank you!

[daved]

If it's like my CFX was, the pin that holds the rear plug in place is a friction fit, you need to drive it out with a drift pin.  No sure, but it may also only go in one way.  A light tap or two one way or the other should do the trick.  Sounds like you're on the right track otherwise, good luck.

Dave

[Splash]

It is a one way pin, but I can't remember which way. Once you have alittle pressure on the compressor it will be easy to see which way it goes.

Mike

Haha, that could be my problem, I only tried hitting it out one way...  I'll try the other side when I get a chance, thanks a lot!

I must be doing something wrong.  My concern is im putting pressure on the whole action, because the action tube is flat with the spring cap thing.  I dont know how to explain it, but it seems as im pushing the whole gun forward, and not putting any tention on the spring, you know what im trying to say?

[preez]

I will assume the end of your spring compressor fits inside the compression tube and puts pressure only on the cap. If you're looking for "free play" in that cap and pin, there isn't much. I took apart 2 gamos and with both of them I just found a "sweet spot" by putting pressure and releasing the compressor slightly  until I was able to remove the pin with just a push of a finger or a screwdriver.

hope this helps

chris

Well, I have a piece of wood on the end of the c-clamp which I use on my compressor.  The piece of wood is a lot bigger than the whole compression tube.  Is this not right?  Thanks

[daved]

I think that explains it, Josh.  The piece you're trying to remove fits inside the compression tube.  Your spring compressor needs to have a smaller diameter than the compression tube.  Can you take a pic of what you've got?  Maybe that would help with the trouble shooting.  Later.

Dave

I don't have a camera with me so I'll try to describe it.  My compressor is a c-clamp one, so the c-clamp bolt is the compressor part.  On the end of the c-clamp bolt, there is a small metal bell shapped object maybe 3/4" diameter.  Over that I put a 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" piece of wood, and the piece of wood is what touches the compression tube.  Here is my drawing of it... first is the action of the gun, then behind that is sort of what the c-clamp looks like, I doubt the drawing makes sense though,   ------- ====   |<----  The first set of dashes and equal signs represent the barrel and compression tube.  The | is the piece of wood, the < is the metal bell shapped thing, and the other dashes are the c-clamp bolt.

[preez]

Josh, you need to get rid of the piece of wood from the end of c-clamp bolt. I don't know what size c-clamp you're using, but on my 6" clamp the "bell shaped object" is almost the same size as the cap you're trying to remove and slightly smaller than the compression tube.

Chris

I think I'm using a 6" clamp.  The only problem is the clamp bolt is not lined up exactly with where the gun rests. Maybe I could leave the piece of wood on and put something smaller than the compression tube in between the wood and the compression tube.

So I think you've all helped me come to the conclusion that I need a spacer that is smaller then the compression tube, in between the clamp and the tube.  But the question is, what do I use as a spacer?  Thanks everyone for your help.

[preez]

Can your spring compressor be re-worked, so that the end of the bolt goes into the tube?

chris

[davee1]

I use sockets for spacers. 13/16" 3/8 drive works for most but you can go down smaller if you have a whole socket set. You know....the kind of sockets that you take nuts off, or spark plugs out, a socket and ratchet set? Even the right sized washer might work as long as it's smaller in OD than the compression tube.

I've also used flanged sleeve bearings.

http://www.mcmaster.com/

do a search for flanged sleeve bearings at the above link and you'll see what I mean.

****and of course I meant this to be used with a spring compressor!!!! I have a nice B-Square compressor myself....it is nice!!!****

Put a quarter or a nickle on the edge of your workbench. Put the butt of the reciever on the coin. Lean on the gun, pop out the pin, ease off thru the pre-load - Wa-la! Disassembled gun! RWS 350, GAMO 440, RWS 92, AA Prosport - they all succumb to this barbaric method. The only gun I use the compressor on is the FWB 124, because the parts aren't replaceable and I have a zero tolerance for error.

.....NOTICE..... Notice.. BEWARE

This post has been edited by CDT

It's not a question of making it easy, it's a question of making it safe and
barbaric methodis certainly the correct wording.

The above procedure is not an accetable procedure and should not be used. It can be extremely dangerous and high risk and if used, can possibly cause very serious injuries. All it takes is one slip and you can wind up with medical bills and perhaps hospital bills. Many people have been injured, some seriously by not using safe disassembley procedures while disassembling springers.