Author Topic: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?  (Read 8165 times)

Offline gamo2hammerli

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RE: Need a bit more help, Suggestions? Air Arms, Air Force, FX? So many choices?
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2008, 04:23:50 PM »
Thanks Rixtrix...I'll do more research before I drop some money on the FX's. I'll most likely stick with the multi-shot FX Whisper or Cyclone....not the semi-auto Monsoon and the other one...I believe it's the Renegade or something. Btw, I already own a BSA and an Air Arms, both 10 shot repeaters....and they're fantastic air rifles to shoot
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RE: Need a bit more help, Suggestions? Air Arms, Air Force, FX? So many choices?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 12:47:15 PM »
I love my Ultra Rick! Being very fond of lightweight, hunting carbines, the Ultra is a perfect match for me. My Lightning XL and now my Ultra have sold me on the build quality and accuracy of BSA rifles. My Ultra has, I believe, the full size moderator. My Ultra is very quiet!
The current stable, (arsenal, quiver?): BSA Lightning XL .177, BSA Sportsman HV .22, BSA Ultra .177, CZ634 .177, Daystate Harrier X .177, TAU 200 Senior .177, HW 97 .177, HW 50s .177, HW 30 .177, RWS 92 .177, Gamo 126 MC Super, Gamo Big Cat .177, AR2078A, QB78 .177, Quest 1000 .177, Beeman SS650 .177., Beeman P17 .177.
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Re: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 01:11:40 PM »
The English PCP's offer great accuracy and fair power depending on the model you look at.  I have to say though that my old Korean Career 707 II in .177 was THE most accurate PCP I've ever owned.  I can't speak about the Sumatra though as I only owned my Sumatra for less than a month and never did any real distance shooting with it.  The Chinese guns can be a bit of a crap shoot, I've owned two Chinese PCP's and one was bone stock and "ok" accurate, but I also have a pro tuned Chinese PCP and the groups are somewhere between spectacular and fantastic.  My pro tuned Chinese B51 has a stock barrel, but has had the barrel lathe crowned and velocity set for a really tight fps spread, less than 25 fps in a 30+ shot string.  The English PCP's have an excellent fit and finish, and generally don't need a bunch of work to shoot straight out of the box.  The Chinese guns usually need at least a little TLC before they can reach their full potential, the Korean guns can also have some issues from the factory.  Personally I think it comes down to a few things, budget, use, tinkerability(if that's even a word).

Use: If you are going to hunt, and going to hunt larger game the Korean guns are a good way to go.  If you are planning to pop starlings then power isn't an issue with any of these guns for the most part.  If you think you'll need quick followup shots consider a repeater, if you are mostly shooting from a bench then a single pellet tray may suit you better.....I've owned 3 repeater PCP's and now own 3 single load PCP's, just don't need a magazine full of pellets from a bench.  Non-repeating PCP's generally cost a little less, if you don't need it or REALLY want it, then buying a better single shot gun may be better than buying a cheaper multi-shot gun.  Also worth considering is noise, if you shoot in your small suburban backyard then most of the Korean guns are going to drive your neighbors crazy, might be better off looking at the fully shrouded Eauropean guns.

Budget: What can you afford?  Figure out what you are willing to spend, select a few guns that fall into that price range and select the one that fits you best for your use.  Don't forget, to realise the accuracy of many of these guns a decent scope and mounts is needed also, keep that in mind when you budget.

Tinkerability: If you're going to tear it down to the o-rings and fiddle with hammer springs, then maybe look at the Chinese guns, they will need some tinkering.  You could also buy a fully tuned Chinese gun for a few $$$ more and still have a good gun at a fair price.  Me personally have no inclination to tear down my beautiful Air Arms S400C just to see how it works, but tearing into a Chinese B50 wouldn't bother me at all.  If I was going to buy another Chinese PCP I would definately shell out the few extra $$$ and get one that is fully tuned....I've owned both and would never buy one un-tuned again.

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Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

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Great tutorial, Dan. nt
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 06:26:05 PM »
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Re: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2008, 01:58:00 PM »
Thanks Ric!

How have you been btw?  Haven't seen much of you in the past few months.  Hope all has been well:)
Dan

Current shooters: Beeman HW97K .177 with Hawke Eclipse 4x16x50SFAO and Steve C. stock, Beeman R9 .177 with Hawke Airmax 4-12x40AO and Gene\'s Midas touch, Air Arms S200 with Bushnell Banner 6x24x40AO Rowan brass bling and Steve C. custom stock, BAM B25, BAM B40 .177 with BSA 3x12x44AO, Benjamin Marauder .22, Benjamin 397 pumper.

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RE: Need a bit more help, Suggestions? Air Arms, Air Force, FX? So many choices?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2008, 05:29:44 AM »
Will think you will find the FX Cyclone and Whisper to be as reliable as the BSAs. The Monsoon is an entirely different animal, and is really tricky if you decide to try adjusting the trigger. Once you do that, there are several other adjustments that need to be made to keep the rifle working properly. This is not a gun for an amateur to tinker with. Talk with Kip or Steve at AoA before you buy, but I don't think you will go wrong with either of your choices.

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RE: Need a bit more help, Suggestions? Air Arms, Air Force, FX? So many choices?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2008, 10:31:50 AM »
Thanks for the heads-up hdcharlie. You would think FX would make the gun (Monsoon) more user friendly with it's expensive price tag. I guess it's abit like the Air Force Talon and Condor......I read that they need abit of tinkering before they become sweet.
Gamo: Expotec .177 + Big Cat .177 + Viper .177 + Whisper .177, Hammerli Titan .177, Diana model 24 .177, RWS-Diana P5 Magnum pistol .177, Crosman: G1 Extreme .177 + Storm XT .177 + Sierra Pro .177 + 1377 pistol .177, Air Arms S410SL .22, BSA Scorpion T10 .22, FX Cyclone .177, Remington Air Master 77 .177 + BB\'s,

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RE: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2008, 11:52:53 AM »
Nowel:

Accuracy?  Don'f fool around with any of those lesser PCP's, Bro.  I am staying pure and saving myself for one of these:



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RE: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2008, 12:45:59 PM »


Tom, I am sending off the adoption papers before Peak beats me to it... hehe




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RE: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2008, 12:52:46 PM »
Sorry, Gene.  I am already trying to adopt Joe Cuz.  He's a lot cuter.

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Re: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2008, 01:08:53 PM »


But Tom, I talk much slower and have no accent.. hehe





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THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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Re: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2008, 01:15:01 PM »
Yes, but Joe Cuz definitely speaks my language, even with that funny accent.

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RE: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2008, 01:34:26 PM »
I'm assuming the adoption comes with a new FWB rifle (of my choice), my own garage space and weekends at the mountain cabin Tommy..............
The current stable, (arsenal, quiver?): BSA Lightning XL .177, BSA Sportsman HV .22, BSA Ultra .177, CZ634 .177, Daystate Harrier X .177, TAU 200 Senior .177, HW 97 .177, HW 50s .177, HW 30 .177, RWS 92 .177, Gamo 126 MC Super, Gamo Big Cat .177, AR2078A, QB78 .177, Quest 1000 .177, Beeman SS650 .177., Beeman P17 .177.
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RE: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2008, 01:38:31 PM »
OK, OK!  Stephanie, Gene and Joe!  Come on down.  One big happy family.  But Gene and Joe have to share a room and Stephanie has to let me drive her Yamaha from time to time.  And we will have to build a bigger gun room.

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RE: Want to get in to PCPs, looking for Accuracy, Suggestions?
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2008, 05:52:48 AM »
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TCups - 9/7/2008  7:52 PM

Nowel:

Accuracy?  Don'f fool around with any of those lesser PCP's, Bro.  I am staying pure and saving myself for one of these:



My 603 JR is scheduled to arrive Thursday.  I can hardly sleep....my first match grade rifle.  Thankfully that purchase (along with a glove and sling) emptied the disposable income vault; as I have just become interested in these futuristic looking FWB and Steyr PCPs.   Maybe next year.

Sorry i cannot offer the OP any assistance....but then these's lots of good advice in this thread already.
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