GAMO forum ethics SUCKS!!! the person that is behind it

[gamo2hammerli]

In reference to your response.....A serious question.....is the "Yellow" forum run by Asians? Just wondering.

[Curioguy]

gamo2hammerli - 8/30/2008 5:57 PM

In reference to your response.....A serious question.....is the "Yellow" forum run by Asians? Just wondering.

No, I think it is run by somevery old guy with dementia and the color reminds him to wear his Depends.

Now I'm going to get booted off of there!

[Izzie45895]

Ok, I guess we got a bunch of new guys...........
Before this thing gets moved to the 'Non-Productive' forum, here's the deal. CdT was once a partner with Steve_nc who is butt-buddies with the guy who runs the yellow, Steve_ct. They had a falling out and went their own ways(CdT and the obnoxious one, Steve_nc).  CdT decided to continue to sell the trigger that was part of the partnership(the forunner to the GTRIII) which in my opinion was his right. Steve_nc claims that he stole his idea for the trigger, even though he made no attempt to patent either the trigger or the intellectual rights to it. Steve_nc is an obnoxious know it all that IS intellegent, he's just an a$$hole. Since he's butt-buddies with the guy that owns the yellow, any posts on ANY of the yellow forums pertaining to Cdt or the GRTIII is deleted and anyone who persists in posting about it is banned. That includes all of the yellow forums including the Gamo forum.

So - that's it in a nut shell. The yellow is a 'good ole boy' place.... you're better here by far. So........ how DID you get banned on the Crosman forum... it wasn't because you posted about the GRTIII.

Iz

[timofb]

well I don't know what's up with Crosman forum?, but I get limited access just like to all the yellow forums, and I am not able to post. All this has hapened after I posted a question on the GAMO yellow forum asking a simple question as to which is better a CDT trigger or Rich from Mitch insert. Then my post was deleted by moderator because of  a " reference to a dishonest dealer"  That comment seemed to me outrageous, because all I have heard on all the other forums that CDT gamo tunes and GRT trigger is something special, and that he is a nice man, and that people are sad that they wpn't get anymore tunes from him. And I read this all of a sudden. When I asked why, and why he labels people this way? My post was dleted and posting access was cut off. Today I went there again on the Gamo Yellow forum and another poster Honorato from Brazil that was telling us on Airgunadvice how great of a shooter his CFX has become, had his post deleted I think  he was posting groups shot with his CFX 5.5 after GRT III mod. Anyway I understand what is the deal now...but still is outrageous, people should just stop going there.

[Jaymo]

Actually, this is more of a good ol' boy forum, and that's why it's so great here.
 Steve sounds just like  a "FRIEND" of mine who wanted to go into business with me. He wanted me to sell things for him that he got for FREE. He expected me to buy a digital camera, get an Ebay and paypal account, store and maintain his inventory, and pay for shipping and shipping materials. He wanted me to do everything and he got pi$$ed when I told him that I would take my expenses out of the gross and then I would split the profit with him 50/50. He badmouthed me as trying to "f*ck him out of his money". After all, he was providing the inventory, which he got for free from work. All I was doing was all the work and shouldering all the responsibility, and paying all of the business expenses. How DARE I expect to get paid 50%?!?!?!? In actuality, I probably should have told him I'd give him 1/3 of the profit, and I'd keep 2/3 of the profit since I was the only one doing anything. He was getting the stuff while he was on the clock at work, putting it in his car and taking it home. I was expected to go to his house and pick it up myself. I'm the only one who would be out anything, but I was trying to screw poor little him out of his money.
When I asked him how much did he think was fair for me to make he told me "Nothing, I'm the one providing the product to sell."
So I was supposed to do all the work, encumber all the expense, bear all the responsibility, spend all the time, deal with customers, etc. And I was supposed to do all of this for FREE for him because we were "FRIENDS", and I should be glad to screw myself just to make him richer. After all, he deserved all the money because he wanted it.
Yeah, the business venture never got off of the ground. He didn't want to share the money and I won't work for free. He's come up with a few more "pie in the sky" get rich quick schemes since then, each of which would involve me spending lots of money and time to make him richer without any monetary recompense or gain of my own.  Most of them perfectly legal, some pretty questionable. I have never wanted any involvement with any of them. I work full time during the week, making someone else richer. I'll be darned if I'm going to spend my free time doing the same, without making AT LEAST as much as I do in a 40 hour work week.
I like Bob, Gene, and the GTA family. I can't say the same for the other forum.

[Gene_SC]

Tim and everyone who has added there two cents in this post. There are many references to the CDT, Steve_NC Steve_CT and even myself in our archieves. Anyone can look them up by using key words and find the posts.

I first have to say for those of you who are new since we opened the GTA and do not know CDT "Bob Werner" either personally, doing business or email. But I have know Bob now for almost 4 years now... I often wonder how he puts up with me... hehe. But Bob has more charactor than both Steve_NC and Steve_CT both have in there Big Toe..

There is allot of history before the GTA and when Bob and me got together and Bob offered to help put the GTA together is when the *_*_*_*_*_* really hit the fan... Bob did not just spring up from no where, he has been around for many years, even way before Steve_CT ever owned the yellow forum. I do not have to defend Bob's Charactor because he has thousands of friends and business associates that can vouch for his honesty and charactor.

The GTA is made up of many people of many ages and *_*_*_*_*_*. We set our standards much higher than those who run the yellow forum. We do not delete post or edit posts here unless we see something that is totally offensive to another member. We are a family who look after each other and always will as long as we still breath.. Gene

[shadow]

Amen buddy. Ed

[timofb]

I tell you guys that guy Steve is crazy, nasty bully  full of hate. He should be banned from network 54 website. And in fact I will write a letter to network 54 owners about them, about him and his  buddies behaviour. Just read what he writes on there. CDT GRT III  trigger is a "contraband" ... They banned the guy again of there for mentioning the GRT trigger.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/479035/message/1221009950/Dishonest+Dealer---
http://www.network54.com/Forum/479035/message/1219957071/Deleted+due+to+reference+to+dishonest+dealer

[RainDog]

Contraband? Heck, that just makes it more exciting than it already was to own one!

 There's no such thing as bad advertising, as they say, and who doesn't get a kick out of bein' a little naughty? haha

 Yeah, it's weird, huh? Panties all in a wad like that...

 Seeya,
 Parks

 PS: Oh man. I just read that first link. Looks like there's some dissension in the ranks over there. Hee!

[timofb]

well because naturally any normal person reading this, would ask who is that HE is he speaking of. And he does not dare to say it on there, because in most airgunners it brings nothing but positive when they here of GRT trigger from CDT.  All I have heard ever was the best gamo/crosman tuner by far.... will be greatly missed. These kinda comments are written even on European forums. And guys that come on the yella forum have no clue as I was some of them are so pleased with GRT III trigger that they want to share this, and they groups with everybody, then they get slammed hard like that.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/479035/message/1221012411/Pick+any+definition+of+honesty%2C+and+chances+are%2C+he+fails+it.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/479035/message/1221327883/Yeah%85 ............. that one was for me..... OK...


That's it no more of the yellow forum for me. I had that web site double bookmarked, under different names, went there again read that idiot posts, got mad again darn.... That's a public board....

[HNT5]

It's sad because there are some good folks over ( on the yellow forums) there with lots of knowledge and experience, and I do enjoy reading their posts. A new person who doesn't know any of this history, posts a question over there like "which trigger insert for a Gamo?" or puts a gun up on the classified and BAM. Deleted due to dishonest dealer. Then they are saying WTF did I do? Who here knows of, followed, cares about or was involved in that whole Phillipine/Caimnen PCP gun situation that pops up on the yellow forum every now and again?  Several people (probably a dozen or more) lost hard earned cash putting down deposits on rifles that have never been delivered! Not one to my knowledge. Talk about a dishonest dealer! Yet those posts are never  locked or deleted. Probably because the forum owner and/ or moderator(s) have no ax to grind with that guy ( lost no money nor feel their intellectual property was stolen yada yada)  but they do with CDT. They are going to grind that ax till the handle is a stub and what's it going to get them? Nothing. Maybe it just makes them feel good to delete a post and type in those words "deleted due to reference to a dishonest dealer"! Shhesh. Build a bridge and get over it!

Just my $0.02

Regards
Nathan

[Gene_SC]

Any adult in his right mind can see through the childish vendetta that the twoBoys over on the yellow forum have with CDT. The sad thing is CDT has never been able to defend himself on the yellow forum because he is banned... And if he could post,anything he would postwould be deleted.And CDT does not have one dishonest bone in his body. I know because I have checked him out... To me there attitudes take away from the hobby/sport of air gunning. Nothing will ever change over there and the bottom line is CDT does business all over the world and for some reason the two guys on the yellow forum want to call him dishonest, etc. So the GTA welcomes any members from the yellow or any forum to post here because the GTA feels the air gunning community is one big group of knowledgeable people who can share there experiences and opinions here to help new air gunners learn how much fun it is to shoot and play with air guns.. Gene

[daveshoot]

I have had a couple posts removed for either mentioning or linking to CDT. There is good info over there on certain topics, and I do look at it as their forum where they get to set any rules they want. I totally disagree with their judgement and I told them so privately but I have to acknowledge that it's their house, their rules. It is an old argument that I just want to stay out of.

That's why here is home, whereas there is an information mine that I dredge now and then. The "other" Chinese forum there is very slow, and newbs are ignored, so you can always send a private email inviting them here if they would like some actual info from peeps who don't chasten them for not starting out with an $800 rifle.

But I will tell you that yet another forum made such a negative impression on me, when I started lurking, that I stopped checking it altogether. When you checked it, there was thread after thread and post after post bashing another forum. That is just not what I want to read about. It also sets a nasty bitter tone that ends up affecting other posts and interactions. It's sad that the tiny world of airgunning can split into bitter factions, but that's what happens in most hobbies, not just shooting. Here I just let the matter drop and look for air gun stuff. I am probably contributing to that problem by posting here so I have no  more to say and I hope this soon finds its way to the non-productive area, so newcomers don't get the same impression about our great place to be!

[timofb]

Gene, you spoke the truth there, we are a one big family of airgunners world wide . That is why the behaviour and statements of yellow forum owners is so shocking to hear. They use words like " contraband" when they speak  of CDT trigger blade. To me that sounds crazy. They speak of taking sides, I was cluless of the situation, at first when i made my post there, as many of the guys that come to the yellow forum. And they made me take sides, and I told them there that they are full of it. Because there is really nothing but great words of respect that I heard about CDT work, even as far as Norway airgunners know of CDT trigger and GAMO tunes. The guy from Brazil  posted his 50 yard groups for people to see after the GRT III install, and they deleted it. So here is that post from Honorato that they have named "refference to a dishonest dealer" take a look guys that's GRT trigger http://www.airgunadvice.net/viewtopic.php?t=8639

[timofb]

Dave you can look at this your way. But i tell you and I am sure you well know what happens when people give in to bullies. And that is not his/thier house, network 54 is a public blog, not like this website, anybody on there can start a blog like that. So that is not his house. I took it personal it bothers me when I see this kind of behaviour, and people write lies about a person that is well respected without giving a chance to defend himself. More so they drag in people into this that have nothing to do with it. They are just mad because someone had finished and perfected it into a great product by putting in his time, money and effort.