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Crow Magnum's first kill
« on: October 04, 2008, 04:23:22 AM »
Not the gun, the pellet shot from the Condor :-)  First kill from the Condor.  CM's have taken a few critters before shot from the 350 .22 :)

After about 1/2hr of looking at trees & leaves moving this morning, the wind finally susbsided around 10am.  I immediately noticed a branch was still moving up & down a little, very subtle movements, while everything else was almost calm.  It has to be a nutter.  

While trying to find the squirrel in the thicket, I saw another "big" squirrel about 15ft below the 1st one, run towards my direction through several trees, and up to the big oak tree that borders my neighbor's property.  He 's that big squirrel I 've been watching since last winter when the season was coming to a close and thought he was the last one left, sitting outside his hole in the tree every day like waiting for some company.  He is very easy to identify because he has a great big hump on his back like a rat (that he is).  Most other squirrels are pretty flat when they walk or run.  This one has a very big distinct hump no matter how he walks and he 's larger than any squirrel I 've seen.  He owns that nest up in one of the oak trees and he knows me well.  He avoids stopping when he passes through or when he spots me he always takes off and straight to his nest.

Anyway after a few minutes I 'm finally able to see some 'fur' & movement up in the tree through the scope on that squirrel that has been droppign nuts & shells to the ground and is now making noise and being careless.  I focus the scope better and the A/O reads just a hair under 30yds.  I see it climb up another branch a little higher where there's less leaves.  The squirrel is facing almost completely away from me now and I can't see its head.  I had to get on my knees on the floor to point the gun out the window at a much wider angle to get him back on the scope.  I can see his belly from the shoulder/arm on down to the tail, that's how high up he is.  His upper chest and neck/head are still concealed.  After about 2 minutes, my knees started bothering me and was thinking of getting a pillow but the squirrel seemed oblivious to my position (maybe it was all that camo clothing & hat I had on? hehe) and I didn't want to give it away.  I decided to go for another shot like before from under the body but the angle was good and the pellet would travel up towards the upper chest & neck area.  I had practiced with some 18.2gr Crow Mags yesterday shooting up at an angle at branches 30yds out so I feel confident I know its trajectory and POI well.  I aim just behind and below where I last saw the shoulder or elbow of the squirrel squeeze the trigger.  

What I hear next surprised the hek out of me!  A very LOUD THUUUMPPP!!!  The noise was louder than when I had shot a g-hog with a Crow Magnum last year in the belly with the 350 after he was down already and saw some movement.  That was now the 2nd loudest "thump" on fur.  This one was by far the loudest and it seemed it echoed throughout the neighborhood.  So much louder than the report of the gun..  This confirmed for me that I had not hit much bone on impact but I knew that already from where I was aiming.  The squirrel got knocked off the branch immediately and fell down from his 60ft or so position.  It 's so great to see your quarry being hit through the scope :-)  
He did a very quick death dance that was not the usual one you see from a head shot, but I could barely see him in the vegetation & darkness below the trees anyway..  As I 'm walking out and trying to locate the squirrel I see the neighbor's big fat grey cat approaching from the other side.  I saw where she was looking and located my quarry right away, then proceded to chase the cat away which was no more than 6ft from the carcass.
 
I found the squirrel with a lot of blood coming out the mouth & nose.  The Crow Magnum had entered righ behind the underarm at the top of the belly from the side, and had traveled up towards the neck & head.  I could not find an exit hole which surprised me because these CM's were shooting 980fps last night through the chrony with a fresh 2400psi fill (lower fill - trying to keep the velocity down).  Upon examining the squirrel further, I felt a bump on top of his head and it was hard.  It was the pellet & some bone.  His skull was crushed and felt like it was in pieces halfway between the ears & eyes in the middle of the skull.  The pellet had stopped half way exiting the skull.  I pushed it back in with my thumb and could feel the hole in the skull.  I was very happy with the results because that was the angle I was looking for when I took the shot, and did not have to worry about the pellet traveling over someone's house or where it landed, which always concerns me.  

Sorry for the long story.   Next up.. Predators!  Shot some through the Condor w/2400psi fill but they were flying @ 1,020-1030fps.  I 'm going to try a 2100-2200psi fill next to bring them down into the 900's and then go hunting with them after some target practice.  So far I 'm very impressed with the Predators.  The polymer tip stayed intact after blowing through a 2x4"!
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2008, 04:48:54 AM »
thats nearly 40 fpe at the muzzle.
very nice.

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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2008, 06:20:03 AM »
Thanks Craig.  Yeah about 39fpe at the muzzle, figure 33-35fpe at 30yds?  I 'm still surprised that wasn't enough to travel through half the body but there's much bone up there, the path it took.  I 'm sure it also has to do with the CM mushrooming a lot.  They become pretty flat and expand to >0.30".  That has to slow it down a good amount.  A Kodiak would have easily tore through him.. CM's are not known for great penetration but they doesn't need much on a small critter like this.
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PCP\'s:
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Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2008, 06:39:31 AM »
Fine shot Harry and a great pic.  You and that Condor spell certain doom for any tree rats in range,,,, good shooting !!  I never get tired of seeing that Condor laying next to a nutter,,,, only problem is every time see such a picture I want one for myself even more  :)

Keep whacken em buddy...

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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 06:50:31 AM »
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only1harry - 10/4/2008  2:20 PM

Thanks Craig.  Yeah about 39fpe at the muzzle, figure 33-35fpe at 30yds?  I 'm still surprised that wasn't enough to travel through half the body but there's much bone up there, the path it took.  I 'm sure it also has to do with the CM mushrooming a lot.  They become pretty flat and expand to >0.30".  That has to slow it down a good amount.  A Kodiak would have easily tore through him.. CM's are not known for great penetration but they doesn't need much on a small critter like this.


what you got there is perfect, the pellet expanding and delivering max fpe to the critter.
i would rather have that then the round tearing thru the target, for small game anyway.

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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 10:00:20 AM »
Craig: Yes I prefer that too most of the time especially when shooting up and backstop is uncertain.  That is why I always keep the Condor on the lowest power setting..  Except with g-hogs.  I don't mind an exit hole on those beasts and they are always on the ground :)  

Jeff:  I know you want one which is why I post as many pics of it as I can  :)  We are actually even because you post pics of g-hogs which I ran out of.. hehe
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Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 10:15:41 AM »
way TA GO HARRY... Great story and sweet pics..
 Ok I'm fat and happy now from the gumbo and must nap....
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 10:22:48 AM »
Thanks Randall.  Your gumbo is unbelievable!!  Do you cook for a living?
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Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 10:48:25 AM »
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only1harry - 10/4/2008  5:22 PM

Thanks Randall.  Your gumbo is unbelievable!!  Do you cook for a living?


 I guess you could say that, cuz the wife don't cook.. so if i wanna live, i need ta cook!!!!
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 Air Arms S400FAC .22 Custom Camo\'d stock.. By  Shadow..extra walnut stock...
 Air Arms TX200 .22 Walnut stock...
 B-20 .177 Custom camo\'d by Shadow...
 B-20 .20 ...
 B-20 .22 Custom camo\'d by Shadow...
 RWS 48 .20...
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 Mountian Air custom .25 pcp pistol... TKO break
 Crosman 2400 18\" .22 pistol TKO break...
 Webley Tempest .22 pitol...
 Crosman 2240 .22 pistol...
 Gamo whisper .22 Wooden stock...
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 03:02:44 PM »
Nice shooting and account of the hunt Harry... looks like the Crow mags did a number on him :) I am getting about 37.5 ft lbs from my BSA huntsman HV with Kodiak's, and they go right through squirrels. I may have to try crow mags... I have a couple tins of them, I  just didn't want to re sight since it was zeroed in so well  with the Kodiak's. I have my new Condor ordered and on it's way, shroud ordered too. It should show up about a week after the gun arrives.  I may go with a .25 caliber barrel, but not for a while... I am selling off a couple springers as it is, to fund the Condor...lol
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RE: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 12:00:51 AM »
Great shootin Harry, better notch her stock on her first kill hehehe. Great story and pics too, is that a plastic lizard that I see on that rock lol. Ed
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Re: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 01:17:08 AM »
Great story Harry, thanks for sharing it with us. That's some impressive hardware you've got!! I've always liked using the CroMags. Ideal weight for .177 cal "BB-Guns",  but too heavy in .22 for my springer. The Preds are deadly pels, and can't wait to hear you next report on them!!!! tjk
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Re: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 12:13:35 PM »
Thanks guys.

Ed, yes that's a plastic lizzard my wife put out there a couple of years ago. I 'm surprised it's still there.  We keep finding it in a different spot every time.  I think birds or crows pick it up and then spit it out again.  That's the only explanation why this lizzard is always on teh move.  Maybe it comes to life at night?  :)

Chris:  Way to go, congrats on your new Condor!  I 'm happy to have influenced your decision :-)  I have actually received about 1/2 dozen e-mails or PM's from people with questions that are seriously thinking of getting a Condor.

You are lucky all your guns are high-end stuff.  With the sale of only 2 guns, you should easily cover the gun & the shroud.  Are you getting a new Condor or used?  
Keep in mind that if you want to go with .25 later, you will most likely need a new shroud - extra $$..  I wanted to go .25 too, but I really don't see the need right now or maybe never.  The .22 version has TONS of power (for an airgun anyway).  When I see mine blow through two 2x4's with the power set only at 6-7 (~76.5fpe) using 32gr slugs, I can't justify the .25 cost upgrade in my head.  Once you go over 60fpe, it's all the same to me.  You think you 're shooting a rimfire gun.  They get a little scary and rip through anything with a loud impact noise.  The shroud only "works" up to a certain point (power) contrary to what people may think before buying them..  E-mail me and we can talk off line.  You 're in for a lot of fun and shooting enjoyment as well as many "holy crap!" 's that put a smile on your face :-)
Springers:
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Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
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Re: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 12:53:53 PM »
Your killin me Harry,,,,,,,   after reading this now I'm actually thinking about "thinning my herd" to get the $ for a Condor even faster  :)

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Re: Crow Magnum's first kill
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 03:03:53 PM »
Jeff, LOL.. easy there buddy.  You get too excited :)  

There are actually some things that I ought to point out when buying an "unregulated" PCP.  Just food for thought.  
Lots of Power and everything sounds very appealing but the truth is, the Condor shoots very differently when going from 40fpe to 55, and then to 70fpe.  It can get frustrating and take a LOT of practice to get the pellet to hit the same spot after dialing up the power.  This is why I leave it at the same power setting (lowest for backyard hunting.. for now) and forget it.  You also have to consider that sometimes you may fill 100psi less or more if you are not careful or quick enough to shut the K-valve or not releasing the air too slow from the scuba.  This can slightly change the POI (elevation mainly we are talking about) as well, since the velocity will vary according to the fill pressure.  AF guns are not regulated like higher-end $1200-2K PCP's where they will shoot at 2500psi all the time for example, but you know this since you have a Talon.  It took me a lot of practice to get very good groups starting at 1,000fps w/Kodiaks before refilling at around 825fps, or 50 shots.  The difference in elevation of the POI can be more than 1/2" after 45 shots at 30yds.  The difference is negligeable or a non-issue for the first 25 shots but it becomes noticeable after that, and even more when shooting at 40, 50yds, etc.  

Then lets say you 've taken 20-25 shots or so and now you want to increase the power.  Well not a good idea.  You may have practiced hard at PW setting 7 the other day but that was from a fresh fill of 2700psi for ex.  Now you 've taken a couple of dozen shots, and going up to PW 7 will not yield the same results/POI or that 60+fpe you are looking for, and then you have to consider the distance, etc.  Many people go crazy over this and I can see why..  
So what most people do with an unregulated Condor is to set it at one setting, zero the gun, and practice at various distances.  So the question you will have to consider is, would you have your Condor set at 60+fpe all the time or how much power would you be willing to sacrifice to find a reasonable medium?  I just want you to think about all the "issues" of a powerful unregulated PCP.  Your Talon has 1/2 the power of a stock unmodified Condor and you can experience these issues, but to a much lesser degree I think.  Playing with the power setting Up or Down is really not a good choice and calls for much unpredictability in the outcome, namely accuracy.  Shooting and zeroing at one of the highest power settings all the time, may be good for you since you hunt on a large farm.. but keep in mind that a Condor can be twice as loud as a .22LR rimmie and even louder when the pellets exceed the speed of sound.  You may scare critters or g-hogs for 1/2mi. around.. seriously.  I took the shroud off and at the lowest setting I could swear the Condor was louder than a .22LR.  

I guess I just want to make people aware that the Condor looks great on paper and it does really have a lot of power, but to take advantage of this gun and be accurate with it, you must select 1 power setting, from 1 to 12, and forget it - for best results.  The power wheel is also not very accurate.  You may set it at 4 one day and shoot well, and a few days later you go back to 5 and the gun is shooting higher or lower.   Another thing that most people don't know, is that you may get more consistent (power & velocity wise) shots at 1 power setting than another, or 1 fill-pressure and not another.  It is a quirky gun that demands a lot of chrony time to understand how it works and to get the most out of it and eventually master it.  You will be experimenting with it for weeks, I guarantee you that.  Why do  you think I did not make my first kill until 4 weeks after I got it? :-)  With great power comes a lot of headackes, but once you figure out your Condor (most are different btw!) you will enjoy it, no doubt about it.  All this info you often don't see in a single post on PCP forums.  You 'd have to read 100 posts or more to put it all together, but since you own a Talon, you should know some of this or have run into a few of these idiosyncracies by now.  For me a Talon w/18" barrel would probably be easy.  Set it to the highest PW setting and zero in :)  With a Condor that can propel a heavy pellet through a car door.. and sound almost as loud as a .223, it's not as easy a choice.. at least for me.
Springers:
Diana 36 .177
Diana 350 .22 (donated by Timmy!)
Diana 350 .177
PCP\'s:
Air Force Condor .22 (Airhog)
Air Force Condor .25 (Talon Tunes)
Air Force Condor .25 (Lemak)  
CO2/Pump:
RWS Hammerli 850 .22
Crosman 2240 Custom .22
A few Crosman pumpers .177