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Offline dave2288

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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2008, 04:21:55 PM »
hmmm...can you show a pic of where you say its rubbing?
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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2008, 10:35:08 AM »
Not able to do pics.  If you were holding the barrel to the left, breach block to the right looking at the left side of the breach block that would be facing you, there is witness markings to the right of the hinge pin hole.  This would be consistant with the barrel being pointed to the right as compared to the action.  

With all I have done so far there has been no change in performance.  

I have been rethinking the cause.  I know it happened all at once.  I don't know of the gun getting dropped, it is unlikely, but always a possibility.  IF:  the forks of the action were not square with the action, the pin would be misaligned thus causing the barrel to be off.  I'm not sure about this, but what else could cause this?  

I took the thrust washers out and re-installed the barrel to have a look at what it is like with only the pin in place, low and behold the breach block is closer to the right fork at the pin and closer to the left fork at the breach.  (looking from above).  AAARGH!!!! Just getting a little frustrated.  Anyone been here before?
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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2008, 10:43:31 AM »
...hmmm...i've never had this problem before...did you try what gene said about lockup spring?
Dave

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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2008, 01:26:14 PM »
As far as I can tell the lockups are working properly, there is great spring tension on both of them and the barrel does not pull down at all when engaged to the action.
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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2008, 08:02:33 AM »
HMM sounds like its time for a new breech/barrel

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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2008, 11:03:08 AM »
I think you are right.  I have resigned myself to the fact that it will take at least some machine work to correct this gun.  Lucky for me my Dad is highly skilled and equipped in that area.  Only problem is that he is out of town and I am no machinist.  However, I can Yankee engineer pretty well and I figure that for now, it is shooting consistantly tight groups (in the wrong place) so if I can not bring the shot to the scope I will bring the scope to the shot.  If I fail, worst case it is a 10.00 set of mounts sacrificed.  Oh well, good news is that I recieved my GRT trigger and it is installed!  Can't wait to try that out.
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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2008, 03:36:20 PM »
Sorry about the no pictures.  I am at a loss at this point.  I don't sincerely think that dropping this gun set it off.  I got to a point of frustration last night and did something rash.  I set the breach block on a piece of wood, the front of the action on another piece about 2" from the forks and let it have it with a 48oz soft face sledge.  After hitting it harder than I thought I should it hasn't changed a thing about the gun.  My sleep deprived thought was that if dropping it did it than I would un-drop it.  I have fixed much more complex things like that in a moment of inspiration, persperation and frustration.  That's just too much 'tion.

So, after that I modified a set of scope sights, mounted up and shot some rounds, what I noticed is that the breach would have a gap after the shot, even when it had mated well before the shot.  Consequently, I could put two shots through the same hole and the third would be 1.5" off at 15'.  It took getting close to zero-ing the scope to really understand that the concern is barrel movement.  So, I played some more with the pin, carefully knurling and fitting the best I could with a center punch and file, very crude but I have no machine shop at my house.  I have also found that by appearance the breach block is only spaced squarely in the forks when using a .067" shim on the left side of the breach block and the OEM .063" on the right.  Speaks of something tweaked.  My thought is to have my Dad set the action in the milling machine and do some indicating to see if the forks are the source.  That will have to wait 'till he gets back from a trip.  I also took out the lockup, inspected and added about .090" behind it to snug it up, haven't shot it yet to see if it helped.

Meanwhile, the gun is packed up for the trip this weekend, shoots fine with open sights, and who knows, I may mess with the scope and stuff some in a more relaxed environment, maybe a few cold frosties will bring some clarity to the situation.  Anyhow, I will get the opportunity to shoot the likes if a Gamo Big Cat (or three), a BAM that a friend just got (tuned and lubed), a winchester something or other and put a few hundred rounds through my PT80.  Thanks for the interest and ideas.  Oh, by the way, the GT III trigger is a dream!  Fine piece of work and a cinch to install.  If nothing else I will have the finest trigger action of all the Gamo's in camp!  I'll have to yank it out if I decide to sacrifice the gun in the fire.
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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2008, 03:52:56 PM »
well don't do that!  i'm sure one way or another, we'll get your gun working right
Dave

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Re: shooting low and right
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2008, 10:09:40 PM »
It would take more than a little frustration for me to do that.  At the very least I have an open sight gun to use.
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