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Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« on: November 08, 2006, 07:41:38 AM »
With such positive result from the Predator Pellet has the .177 cal become "more" of viable hunting caliber. Now some of people right now are thinking but the Predator comes in .22 cal also. yes it does but, does a .22 predator give you as much of a quantified advantage as a .177 over standard pellets on small game. Now some others are thinking the .177 is just fine as is, and that's there opinion. But I want to know how many forum members will switch to the predator pellets for hunting and pest control (if they shoot well in your gun of course) ?
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RE: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2006, 08:16:16 AM »
Interesting question.  My experience with the predators makes believe that the predator pellet does make the .177 a more viable hunting caliber for "tough game", however I'm not saying that the .177 isn't already a viable hunting caliber.  Like you, I realize there are plenty of people who will say the .177 works  fine for them as a hunter on "tough game"  and is just fine the way it is.   I know that since I've been hunting with the predators, and have seen their results, I would be  more inclined to take the .177 out squirrel hunting.  Since switching to the predators all my hunting forays so far for small game have been with my .22 rifles, however next time I go, which will probably be tomorrow morning, I'm going to use one of my .177's and judge the results I get on squirrels to get some comparison data.

 I don't know if the predator pellet, or any other pellet, will bring the .177 up to par with the .22 when it comes to effective hunting, but it would be interesting to hear from other members on their .177 hunting experiences using the predators, and other hunting pellets, and to hear their opinions on the topic.   I hope others will post replies.  

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Re: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2006, 08:34:28 AM »
Well said Jeff and Bart..

My experience is that the Shadow 1000 .177 is a fine squirrel hunter within its limits. When I have gone squirrel hunting and have made my kills, the .177 worked fine out to 40 yards with superdomes. I only had one instance where I did not kill the squirrel on the first shot and that is because of a bad shot...:). I think if you do not hit them in the head at the proper distance then they may not die right away and that is cruel.

But the .22 Shadow does pack a bit more punch though. Have never shot a squirrel with one yet to judge the damage. I truly believe that Jeff has made it very clear that the .22 has been the ultimate hunting rifle with the pellets he has tested so far.

Those guys in the NZ are everyday hunters like Jeff..:) There game is bigger and if you have been to there site and looked at the pics you will know what I mean. I think they do use .177 Shadows for allot of there game. Maybe Sean will chime in on this post..

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Re: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2006, 11:49:08 AM »
gene,can you post a link to the NZ forum?

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RE: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2006, 12:05:39 PM »
Proof is in da pudding...:) Check out what a .177 can do...

http://www.nzairgunners.com/nzairgunforum/showthread.php?t=783

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Re: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2006, 12:13:41 PM »
Yote

Here ya go, but it is in the library also..

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RE: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 09:10:56 AM »
Hello,

     I really enjoyed the write ups and really liked the pictures. Thanks. Best of luck...

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RE: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2006, 06:04:14 AM »


Hey All,



No post latelyfor me----been reading and following along for awhile----I started into airguns in Sept. with all the great news about the s1k--been great fun--bought my son (10 y/o)the shadow 640--loves it.



I've had some recent experience with hunting the JSB predators. They are very accurate in my rifle and hit pretty hard. I hunt squirrels and birdswith these pellets. I've learned(the hard way) that you really do need to make headshots or these guys will run away and hide. Hunt Date 11/09/06 time 4:30 pm, sunny, 77 degrees, location--acres of woods behind a friend's(soon to be known as Furrtrader--unless of course he hates the nickname) house, quarry--squirrels. We walk quietly, 20 yds. apart, each 3 steps and stop, 3 steps and stop,stalking, watching the trees ahead. AHA!!!!I spy anutter,he's eating nuts on a low branch with a full side-view profile---I can't ask for a better view. I quietly, carefully kneel, make a solid position, crosshairs on his face---distance 27 yds, inhale, exhale slowly--concentrate, concentrate, relax. Slowly I pull the trigger----Thwack!!!! down he goes---he flips and flops behind some brush (no chance for a follow-up shot)--then after 10 seconds he stops. I make my way to him----check the damage---RIGHT THROUGH THE EYE!!! In the righteye and out the left cheek. But wait, a second nutter (from the same tree) has moved about 25 yards to somefurther trees for shelter. He sticks his head around the side to watch me, all I can see is his head and a little bit of neck---again, I slowly take aim--- this time off-hand...carefully, carefully, I ease the trigger---thwack!! I hear a hit--he's been knocked off the tree and I hear him thrashing on the ground. I make my way to him--come around the tree and ----He's gone!!!---he's moving through some brush---obviously injured due to his sluggishness---but still moving pretty well. He heads up a tree and tries to hide 40 feet up.The Furrtradertakes a shot with his new crosman storm XT in .177--using predators---Thwack!! hits through the ribs---and off the rat goes again!! Moving through the tree tops fairly well...he finally stops--30 yd. or so distance--I aim, thwack behind the shoulder blade! And off he goes again!!! #@*#! We give chase, he stops in a high tree top hiding in some leaves--all I can see is a small part of his back(thick twigs, leaves and branches concealing him) in my desperation to end his suffering I carefully aim---thwack!!! down he comes, crashing through branches, leaves and twigs flying, down, down, he hits the forest floor---thump!!! We make our way towards him to claim our kill---but wait!.... he's now dragging himself along the ground with his front feet!---the predator broke his back paralyzing his back legs---and he's still going.FurrTrader has a clear shot,takes aim---thwack! through the head---finally, at last, he's still. We inspect him to see where we went wrong---I see my first shot--it's a clean shot in the neck above his shoulder and just below his jaw! This was the shot that knocked him out of the tree--the exit wound on his left side higher on the neck (the shot angled up and out) I would've thought this one would've dropped him like a rock--must've missed the vitals. The rest of the shots hurt, but it took one last head shot to end it. We walk a bit further--The FurrTrader takes aim--I look up trying to see what he sees---thwack!!! Then I see it.... about 45-50 ft up--a squirrel is falling, crashing throughsome branches--all the way down to the floor---he lands with a crash---------and starts running?!! We are shocked--not believing that he survived a 45 foot free-fall!! Off he goes up another tree--he's injured but moving quickly--then disappears into a hollow tree!! Wewait for him to reappear, while waiting we study the area where he crash landed--blood smeared all over, 10 minutes , still no sign. We shoot up at the hole he climbed into--trying to scare him out. Shot after shot, nothing. A few more minutes, two more shots....and then, he makes a break, moving pretty well. He finally stops 40 yds. away and hides--watching us---ah, but we see him. FurrTrader shoots again, Thwack!! and off he goes----Man, we must be really poor shots!!! He stops again further ahead----I walk around--take aim--thwick! splitting tree barkI miss--he presents on the other side to my friend the FurrTrader---thwack!!! he's down and done. We inspect to find out what went wrong yet again! First shot was well placed behind the left shoulder blade---exit wound in front of the right shoulder blade (the rat was facing left angling away for a shot that should've gone directly into the heart/lung area). We always try to take responsible high percentage--one shot kills, but not always successful. We've hunted with other pellets (crow-magnums and Cros. hollowpoints from Wal-mart) and have had similar issues. The moral to the story is... these little guys are tough as nails and if you don't have a great, I mean GREAT head shot--don't even try it. As a warm-up I hit a bottle cap twice at 18 yds. dead center and the next one 1/4" higher on the same cap. We regularyhit our "shoot-n-C's" in the middle with ctc of 1" (sometimes better) at 25 yds.FurrTraderand I feel like we shoot pretty well. I'm beginning to thinkI mightneed to buy a .22 to really do the job quickly and humanely (more impact, wider wound channel, etc..) Hopefully I don't get torched for sharing these true stories since they weren't"one shot one kill" like I see in almost every other person's post!!I'm just trying to be accurate with my story--if you all think I need more practice--just let me know. Otherwise I'm beginning to think thatmany ofthese "one shot kills" have been, shall I say, a bit stretched? Please let me make myself clear, I'm definitely not saying that everyone is fibbing (heck I had a one shot kill too), but it's a lot harder to take these guys out than I anticipated. I'll post the pics when I figure out how to do it.---Thanks for reading and sharing your stories--love toread'em---wife thinks I'm crazy---not crazy just hooked!



Hope y'all enjoyed reading as much as we enjoyed getting!



BpHurns--ChattanoogaTransplant and author of this story with references to;



The Furrtrader (my hunting partner)


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RE: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2006, 07:37:53 AM »
LOL My wife thinks I'm crazy too. As far as one shot one kill I have been very lucky. I have been on hunts and I swear the squirrel must have been on drugs or something. I try to practice a lot. My gun can do a 5 shot 1/2"c-t-c at 40yards while practicing (no pressure of the target running away and benched) so when I hunt I try to get within 20yards and put the cross hairs between the eye and ear. Now I have watched more quarry get away than I have been able to take because my stalking is less than desirable. As far as torched I don't think so you did the right thing. Anyway I enjoyed the story, and keep them coming.
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Re: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2006, 08:49:48 AM »
Great BP. there is allot of facts in your story. Actually reality at its best..:) Glad you are going to start posting here. We need more of this kind of this stuff.
I was hunting last week and had a clear shot a a tree rat sitting on a limb about 40 yards out. I had my Shadow .20 cal with me but I knew that if I shot him, he would scurry off probably. So I waited for him to turn around and after ten minutes he did and he was all mine then...:) I aimf between his eyes and took out his lower jaw and the pellet passed through the back of his neck. He was almost dead. Still twichin a bit so I finished him off with another head shot. At that distance with a .177 I would not of tried that shot. Would of moved closer, but figuered the .20 would kill him but not quite.

Great story BP. Looking forward to more from ya..

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Re: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2006, 11:00:11 AM »
Good story BP, enjoyed it very much.  I hope you make more posts about your future hunts.  

Like you I always try for a head shot when small game hunting, especially for squirrels.  They are indeed tough little buggers and can withstand some pretty hard hits at times, hence the head shot being the preferred aiming point.

I also use the Predator pellets for my small game hunting, although I use my .22 cal rifles, and I find them to be excellent performers.  Very accurate in my guns and take game efficiently, provided you make a good hit.  I've hit squirrels in  the front shoulders a couple of times, but the .22 predator took them out no problem.  I prefer hunting with a .22, it simply transfers more killing energy to the target than the .177, but the .177 is definately a viable hunting cal, especially with well placed shots.  

Anyway, just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed reading your post.  I'm looking forward to your future hunting posts.  Good hunting.

Jeff
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2006, 02:43:06 PM »
Hey, Bp, quick and dirty, I second everything everyone else said, glad to see you posting again.  Take care.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2006, 03:04:51 PM »


Hey Guys--thanks for reading the story and the responses (didn't get torched!!)--I like hearing specifics on how you guys do your stalking/ shot placement, etc..



Didn't get out this weekend--hope to again soon--I'll keep the stories coming--take care



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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2006, 10:39:31 PM »
I will be looking forward very much to your future posts :) BP, keep those hunting stories coming, they make great reading.  

It's been raining here for the past 3 days, so no hunting for me, but hopefully tomorrow I'll get out and bag some bushytails.  

Jeff

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RE: Has the Predator Pellet "leveled the playing/hunting field"?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2006, 03:19:29 PM »
Personally, I think that the .177 cal. has gotten a bum rap. I've been hunting with nothing but this year and have not had a single critter slink off on me. My longest shot was a squirrel at just over 40 yards (42 if I remember correctly and yes I measured as it was my longest) and he dropped like a rock. The main disadvantage I see with .177 is that it will blow through game at close range but that is why I choose my aimpoint based on range to target. Long distance means a shot to the boiler room since there is less chance of over penetration due to the loss of energy and short range means a shot to the head since there is better protection there which reduces the chance of overpenetration. The way I see it, if I have taken animals as large as a 20lb racoon with this caliber, it can't be all bad.

So far the Crosman hollow points have done the job nicely and I have no need for another pellet with my standard hunting rigs. That said, I may have to try the Predators simply out of curiosity as I have with other "new" pellet designs. Who knows, maybe my 1377 pistol will like them.

Anyhow, just my .02

Russ S.