.177 CONDOR AND 16.1 PELLETS

[melloroadman]

I ran one 25 shot string of 16.1 through the chrony today . The fill was left at 2000 PSI with the power wheel set at 10 .
1019, 1025, 1021, 1016, 1009, 1006, 1000, 991, 987, 980, 975, 971, 969, 959, 951, 948, 945, 936, 932, 929, 923, 920, 915, 910, 907, .The average was 966 with less than a 10 percent deviation . I have concluded that the .177 condor is right there with the discovery as far as having a 2000 PSI fill usability . The larger tank would take twice the pumps but that is a lot easier than a 2700 fill rate on most PCP . I would like to hear from .22 condor owners if they are having good results with low fill rates as well . For that matter I would like to hear from talon owners too . Marvin

[melloroadman]

That's 33 FPE from a .177 out of the box with over the counter pellets . Marvin

[dave2288]

very interesting results.  i hope to get me one of those one day...

[longislandhunter]

Sounds like you're gettin to know that Condor pretty well,,,, that's great.  

Right now I have my 18 " .22 cal Talon set up for CPH's and I usually start with a 3000 PSI fill and my average FPS is 925 and I'm getting about 25 - 30 good shots,, and the FPE is 26

I only use mine for hunting so I usually start with a full tank, hunt for a few hours and wind up taking some shots, then just top off the tank again before I put it away.  

Jeff

[spark22]

what the accuracy of that condor with the heavy pellets.

[melloroadman]

Garry I have only shot it with the heavy pellets when I chronyed it at 16 yards . At that range it was tack driving the pellets . The weather changed on me since I bought the rifle and I have not had a chance to shoot it out side much . I have shoot 25 yards with the 10.5 pellets  and it would make a one inch hole out of 50 pellets . So I don't think accuracy will be a problem . I now have a bi pod for it so I hope to be able to catch a few minutes out side at 50 yards soon to give it a try . With the bi pod its easy and fast to set up  and shoot . I really bought it to shoot the 10.5 out to 50 yards with and at longer distances use the heaver pellets . I have gotten a few shots in at 50 yards with the 10.5 pellets and there really was no poi change from my sight in at 16 yards . It was 2 inch's high at 16 yards and 2 inch's high at 50 yards . From what I can see of the pellet it is flight it is very flat with little upward projection . Dave I don't think you will be disappointed if you buy one really . And Jeff thanks for the info . Marvin

[Gene_SC]

Hey Marvin, I have often looked at both the Talon and Condor. Between the two I would probably go for the Condor for the simple fact of the power. I would never consider a new springer which would be a power house like some of them I have tuned but the Condor being a PCP, probably does not have the bulk weight that the big springers have. I have only shot a Talon and it was just a few shots standing. I really was not impressed by anything but accuracy. The whole build of the Talon's and Condor's kinda look very awkward for my style of shooting. But I do like the power you are developing from the Condor. At one time I owned a Sumatra .22 cal that would develop up to 65 ft/lbs with Eun Jin 28.4 gr.pellets. Now that had power but was a bear to pump and only got about 25 full power shots per fill. The biggest problem with the Sumatra was the over bearing weight of the gun. I sold it and bout an FX Cyclone .22 which develops around 30 fpe but I use this one for small game and targets. So tell me how is the learning curve on shooting a completely different style of air rifle. Is it safe to have a 2000 psi tank at your ear when shooting?

[melloroadman]

Gene just what you said about the Sumatra plus the trigger pull is why I did not go with that rifle . And yes the look of this rifle is not my first choice but it sure grows on you after you experience the power and accuracy that it has . It has not been a problem for me to adjust to this rifle . But I don't have much of a neck and I am using open sights with it . I do have a set of their front and rear aperture sights on order . But they are not available yet so it might be a long wait for them . The tank has a blow off valve on it so I am not worried about that . I have found one person on the Talon forum that says he has a .22 that he fills to 1800 PSI instead of the 2800 PSI but I don't know how many shots he is getting in a fill . I wanted this to be a long distance target shooter above all else and I think it is going to do it . I was uncertain about the .177 being able to do it . That is one reason I chose the A.F. is if I could not pull it off I would not have to buy a whole new rifle just a barrel .But I really think it will work . Since I bought the rifle I ordered a Corbin swaging press and I will be able to make my own pellets at what ever weight I want between 7 - 32 grains with the one die he is making me . Yes I am on a mission to go the distance of 80 - 100 yards and be consistent at doing it . Some  like one thing and some another . It should be a challenge to me to keep me happy with the hobby . If I change the barrel and caliber it will only cost me $179 .00 to have another die made to fit the press as well . But its the low fill rate that really was a hidden blessing with this rifle . As you can tell I have put a lot of thought in to this purchase so hopefully it will be the last major one for a while . Thank you for having a interest in this Gene . Marvin

[longislandhunter]

Hi Gene,,,,,

Marvin made some really good points about the AF rifles and I agree with him whole heartedly .  When I first thought about getting my Talon I wasn't sure if the "style" of the gun was all that appealing, but I went with it and it sure does grow on you.  The other thing I really liked, like Marvin, was that if I decided for some reason that I needed a different caliber then that change was as simple as installing another barrel.  The options that the shooting platform gives you is amazing and I found that to be really enticing.  The other thing that was drawing me was all the after market mods available for the guns.  Once I got my talon I fell in love with it and have never looked back.  

A few months ago I spent an entire day at the duck farm with my Talon, scuba tank, all my pellets, shooting bench and my chronograph.  I mapped out and documented the FPS, FPE and full power shot count data with a variety of pellets using different power wheel settings for each pellet.  After compiling all the data at home and transferring it to charts I now  have a wealth of performance information on my rifles so I can simply look at my charts and decide on power settings and performance expectations for each pellet I use.  It was quite a bit of work but I enjoyed that day immensely.  Matter of fact I plan on doing it again when the weather warms up in the spring and compiling even more data.  I haven't really played around with different fill rates like Marvin has, but after reading his posts he's got me curious and I may start doing that.   At the very least I will be following his posts/data very closely.  

The other thing I really liked about the AF guns was that, just like the Disco, you can go the CO2 route if you want.  I haven't entered into that realm yet as I figure I already have a couple of nice CO2 guns in the Flying Dragon QB-78's that I have,,,, but lately I've been getting the bug to try out the CO2 option for bird hunting at the duck farm.  I'd be able to take hundreds of shots and never have to pump even once,,,,  :)

Anyway,,,, sorry for the long winded post,,, I originally just wanted to say I agreed with the comments made by Marvin about the AF rifles.....

Jeff

[melloroadman]

Jeff I have a CO 2 fill adapter I will never  use so if you need it p.m. me your address and I will put it in the  mail .Marvin

[Gene_SC]

Well Jeff, I was impressed with what Marvin has been doing as well as your post's in the past. You two are very miticulouse about getting every drop of performance you can out of those AF guns. And the Condor may be my solution for a high powered PCP without the extra 5 lbs of weight that a Big wood stock PCP would offer.

Thanks guys for the insight on the AF PCP's. It is good to get the facts about them from the horse's mouth....:) Sort of speak!

[airgunbliss]

I've had my Talon for about 6 six months now, and I like it a lot. A couple of months after I bought my Talon I ran across a deal on a Condor that I could not pass up. Lord knows I tried. To me the AirForce guns are like the Chevrolets of the PCP air guns. They don't have the pretty wood and are really not the greatest looking guns, but they do have a lot of good qualities though. They are made in the USA. They are easy to get parts for and are very easy to work on, and just like the Chevy's they do the job. I also have a couple of very well made English PCPs, but the AirForce guns are the ones that are sitting by my back door and are the ones I use the most. They are not for everyone, but I am very happy with mine.

[Remo]

Jeff,

A nice spring day spent shooting and compiling pellet info sounds like a real fun time.  Being on Long Island, I'd be interested in meeting you and coming along to finally get some distance to shoot my 410 and the Talons SS that is soon to join my "air arsenal".

Eric

[longislandhunter]

Hey Eric,,,,

I'm sure we could hook up in the spring and work that out, I would enjoy that....  

I couldn't take you to the duck farm that I usually shoot at as the owners are extremely strict when it comes to who they let on the farm to shoot/hunt.  There's only a couple of people permitted and we aren't allowed to bring anyone else along,,,,, but I  do know several places where we could set up and shoot all day for both short and long distance.  

We'll have to work on the logistics when the nice weather arrives.....    :)

Jeff

[melloroadman]

Yes the modular construction opens the door for so much to be done . I really was looking at the A. A. line as well . Then they raised the price so much because of the dollar value and the quality of the rifle stayed the same I felt like I was paying for thin air . Besides the made in USA is a very big plus . I should get my talon tank this week to use on the condor have you done any testing with your talon tank on your condor or did you sell the talon .Marvin