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Offline MIKE I

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First tune attempt S1K
« on: November 28, 2008, 11:35:01 PM »
Having been learning all I can from all of you, I decided to apply some of the information to the TWANG of my S1K.  Having solved the breach lockup problem I felt like I had something I could work with again.  

First step was the lube, I don't have any of the types I have read about, but I just so happened to have one with the same properties as heavy tar, at least from what I have read.  Mystic JT-6 general purpose grease.  Very tacky and slippery to the point that it is hard to handle some of the parts when they are covered.

Next step was break the gun down to the action and make a suitable spring compressor.  I used a 2X4, a couple of parts from a bearing puller and other miscellaneous items to create a crude but effective compressor, worked great.  

After removing the spring, piston and related parts, what little lube the facory used was cleaned away with alcohol.  Upon inspection, my seal was in good shape, the piston bore had no issues that I could detect in the seal's work area.  The piston however left much to be desired in the way of the fit.  The rear of the piston, opposite the seal had nearly 1/8" slop in the bore of the reciever.  I was inspired by Fix's repair by cutting a slot, braizing and sizing that area, but lacking the tools to accomplish his method I came up with another.  5 minute epoxy and some hand sizing reduced the piston's play to about 1/32".  
Of some concern was that it fit snugly at the rear opening of the action, but had some play at it's working area.  I think this is likely from wear in it's former fit.  

I deburred all of the machined openings in the action, I don't know how the seal survived it's first trip in to the action!  I very sparingly lubed the seal and surface with some of the factory moly lube recovered from in the piston, as I didn't know how the JT-6 would act on the seal material.  The spring, guides and piston skirt were lubed with JT-6 and re-installed.  

The trigger assembly, which sports a GT-III (great improvement!) got lubed with 30wt.  I could'nt see anything that needed special attention, so I left well enough alone.  

Reasembly went smoothly.  It was much easier to install the cocking lever, now that the rear of the piston wasn't cocked against the bottom of the action.  I cocked the gun, still slightly grainy as the little plastic bushing has dissapeared and the roller is worn.  (Need to get the specs and have my Dad make them from some Delron.  Another helpful tip gathered from Da Tuna.)  Loaded a pellet and fired in to the newspaper recycling bin, THWACK nice crisp sound, no twang, dieseling or  vibration, just a fair amount of recoil.  

Back on with the scope and put a target at 10yds.  First couple of shots were here and there, about the fifth one drilled the center of the bull, after that the groups were tighter than I ever had, most of the holes within a 1/4" shooting from a rest, leaning on my A/C 1/2 wall.  After about 30 rounds it was still as good, but it was time to clean up and head in.    

Hopefully the JT-6 will last for a while, my biggest concern is that it may not.  However, now I know I can tear the gun down and reassemble, so it's worth ordering some of the right stuff if it doesn't work.  Maybe next time we get a spring and new seal, hone the action too.
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Offline Dave1899

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RE: First tune attempt S1K
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 02:25:27 AM »


Congrats on your first tune Mike...sounds like you did somthing right Hope those lubes work out. I'm doing my first repair job on a daisy 880. got it all apart, now I need to find some O rings to fit the valve. Home Depot her I come



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Offline MIKE I

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RE: First tune attempt S1K
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 07:10:47 AM »
Thanks Dave.  Couldn't have done it without all the great information here.  Next I'll try my luck at my old Crossman 760 pumper.  Hasn't worked since I was a kid, may not be repairable, but we'll see.  

Thanks to all who share the knowledge and help simpletons like me have success!
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RE: First tune attempt S1K
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 09:46:27 AM »
Way to go Mike :) I think that it's good that one should get to know the workings of a shooter, you get a better understanding on how they work. After tuning em for awhile you even get to know when their sick and not up to snuff and for me it also makes me a better shooter just knowing what's going on inside and how to react to it as far as how she likes to be held etc. Ed
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RE: First tune attempt S1K
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 12:58:24 PM »
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Dave1899 - 11/29/2008  7:25 AM



Congrats on your first tune Mike...sounds like you did somthing right  Hope those lubes work out.  I'm doing my first repair job on a daisy 880.  got it all apart, now I need to find some O rings to fit the valve.  Home Depot her I come



David


the plumbing section is great for o rings in most sizes, but im  sure you already knew that.

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Daisy 880 is all together!
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 02:20:23 PM »


Brandon...I got an assortment pack of O rings from Home Depot and found a couple that looked real close. Installed them, re-assembled the 880 and she is shooting great! I did have to shorten the new barrel 1 cm to make it fit and remove a couple tabs from the hand guards to fit the shroud but all went excellent. Apparently daisy made several changes in their parts through the ages but with just a little work they fit the one I have. I'll shoot it over chrony with BB's and pellets tomorrow. Working on your own guns is very rewarding



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It appears...
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 12:36:11 PM »
...that JT6 Multi-Purpose grease is NLGI#2, which is a bit thinner than 'spring tar'. It might not dampen vibrations quite as much, but if you used a prudent amount and the stuff doesn't get slung off the spring then it might work quite well.

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Re: First tune attempt S1K
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2008, 03:00:26 PM »
I say go ahead and mix JT6 with some asphalt roofing repair goo that comes in a caulk tube. It looks and smells the same.
If you're using the clear JT6 that comes in a cartridge for a grease gun, then you're right. It is as slick as snot on a doorknob. I use it regularly at work. Homier sells a good sized O-ring kit for a good price. I'm lucky in that I have complete O-ring kits in both US industrial standard and Japanese industrial standard. (standard and metric)
Crosman is the best source for parts for your 760. I repaired a 760 that was give to me by a friend that had very little use, but a broken bolt handle, and a missing safety button.
I also replaced the rifled barrel with a smoothbore barrel with fiber optic sights, since it's my son's gun and he just shoots BB's out of it. I'm planning on using the rifled barrel to build a 1377 carbine, as it's in fantastic shape. I also rebuilt my 1985 2100 classic with parts ordered from Crosman. The barrel was shot out from years of BB's and the pump cup was kaput from 7 years of storage without any air in it. I also replaced a few other minor parts that were worn out from so much use in my younger years. For very little money, they are both good as new.
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RE: It appears...
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 03:00:19 PM »
Vince,  I'm only about 50 or so shots in to the tune, so far no return of the twang.  Still nice and sharp.  

When I was applying the JT-6 to the spring, it stretched out in stringy runners, much more so than other general purpose greases I have had.   We'll see about longevity.

On to a new toy, I have been contemplating a Beeman 1073 Wal-Mart special and tonight one found it's way home.  Trying to make up my mind on if it is staying or not, it's a little rough around the edges.  The cocking arm was so loose it rattled!  I knocked the pin out and placed a plastic thrust washer between the breach block and lever, added some JT-6 (the joint was dry!).  Still cocks with a grainy feel, as the end that moves the piston rides in a rough groove.  I may tear it down and debur the moving parts and see what that does.
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Glad that it worked out.
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 10:42:04 PM »
The JT6 is advertised as an 'adhesive grease', and the thinner consistency (vs. traditional spring tar) should tend to permit higher velocities. If it does an adequate job on the vibrations, you very well might be better off overall using this stuff.

BTW - where did you get it? I might wanna try some!

Does the 1073 have an adjustable trigger?

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RE: Glad that it worked out.
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2008, 01:06:54 PM »
I won it as a door prize at a fishing tournament, and I can't remember the vendor that gave it away.  I think it may have been one of the local boat trailer dealers.  I was actually going to get rid of it because it is packaged in small tubes for a mini grease gun and I don't have one.  On a whim I opened the package and checked it out.  I like it alot for sticky grease aplications and it is much slicker than even a premium wheel bearing grease.  I'm planning to put a few hundred pellets through the gun and tear it down to see what happens.  I'll post the result.
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