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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2008, 11:43:03 AM »
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RCnMo - 12/3/2008  7:34 PM

You mentioned cold rolled steel for the sear. Not to sound like a party pooper, but unless you plan on case hardening it, you may want to try some oil hardening or air hardening steel for that part. CRS won't hold up for more than probably 20 shots. If you take an old file and grind your part out of that, it would make an excellent sear. A file can be annealed so you you can shape your part, then you can re harden and temper that piece. If not, you can silver solder a hardened 'sear' to your sear arm and it should hold up forever. I don't have exact specs on hand, but, silver soldering will withstand several thousand psi before it breaks. Just my 2cents. Keep us posted on the progress. It's nice to see someone turn a piece of coal into a diamond.


Would D2 work?

I could oil harden, that's not a problem. I figured the cold rolled would be 20 times better than what's in there but the current sear may be oil hardened, even as ugly as it is.

Thanks for pointing that out.



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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2008, 11:45:22 AM »
Sound's like you got a plan and some of the part's are standard in CHINA shooter's, the piston and seal and probably the spring too. Coming along nicely. Ed
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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2008, 11:50:44 AM »
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shadow - 12/3/2008  7:45 PM

Sound's like you got a plan and some of the part's are standard in CHINA shooter's, the piston and seal and probably the spring too. Coming along nicely. Ed


Yeah, Ed, the machinery used to make this piston would be expensive to build and tune, so I would imagine it's pretty standard to most of the guns made in that facility, and is likely sold to others as well.

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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2008, 12:13:03 PM »
I believe the current sear would be more wear resistant than crs or 1018. I've never worked with D2, but I believe it is a much better choice than CRS. If you can get D2 up to 64 rockwell, then you have tool quality steel. I think the problem with it would be the tempering process. If you can get a high carbon steel in the annealed state, I believe it would be perfect to work with. It's easy to harden and temper unlike the martensitic and precipitation hardened alloys. Carbon steel can be brought up hard enough to gall HSS drill bits and tough enough to make springs. I'm no metallurgist, but I work with crs and hrs all the time. You could even use crs to make the sear and have one of your buddies use a 70 or 80 series welding filler to build up  the area for your engaging surface and grind it to the final shape. I believe that would be hard enough for sear work. Like I said earlier, CRS can be case hardened, but, it's time consuming and to do it to a good depth requires cyanide. It can be done with bone meal and a furnace too, but I would think just a plain old piece of high carbon steel hardened and tempered would suffice. Keep posting your progress, this is the kind of stuff I dig. If you have access to an old leaf spring, they are a good high carbon steel. It would have to be annealed so you can cut it, but it can be re hardened and tempered when you're done.
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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2008, 12:19:58 PM »
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RCnMo - 12/3/2008  8:13 PM
 You could even use crs to make the sear and have one of your buddies use a 70 or 80 series welding filler to build up  the area for your engaging surface and grind it to the final shape.


That sounds like the quickest and most economic solution. Thanks for the info. You probably just saved me whole a lot of work.

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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2008, 10:53:29 AM »
Well, today was productive and conservative. After talking with one of my machinists in the morning, he suggested that rather than rebuild all of the parts, we should edit them to give them clean, hard lines and polish them all for smooth action. We still plan to build a new trigger and spring guide, but we're going to try to fix the rest of the parts.

Today, we dimensioned the sear and the piston - then removed material from each of the contact points. He welded them (as suggested below) and tonight I milled them back into dimension and polished them. All of the contact points now have very sharp, clean lines. Everything is smooth and clean. I'm pretty happy with the parts. Hopefully I'll get the safety and trigger done tomorrow and I can reassemble for a test run.



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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2008, 11:18:26 AM »
WOW...looking good.

Coming along very nicely.
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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2008, 11:35:14 AM »
Really slick.
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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2008, 11:44:22 AM »
Thanks Joe.

It looks like this thread may not be the "total rebuild" I envisioned when I started it but I think the project is coming along well. I'm learning and having fun with it so I guess it's all good. I'm pretty confident that this rifle is going to turn out very nice when it's finished.

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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 11:47:33 AM »
Thanks Ralph. When I spoke with my top guy this morning, he was totally in agreement with your ideas. Once I mentioned welding the contact surfaces, he kind of brightened up and came up with the idea to just use what we have but give all the contact surfaces fresh metal with clean lines. I was hesitant, but after milling and polishing, I think he was right on target. Thanks to both of you for knowing your stuff.

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Re: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2008, 11:52:35 AM »
Hope it works out. It sure looks nice.
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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2008, 10:05:51 AM »
Today I built a new trigger. I think it came out very nice. I left an additional .010" on the sear contact surface so I can tune it to release the way I like when I assemble tomorrow. I like a wider blade on triggers so I didn't round off the face very much. I polished it, but this will need to be done again after it's tweaked. I also polished the safety.

When I got home there was a care package for me from South Summit. The Center Point scope mount has arrived and there was also a B3-1 .22 in the package, heh. I can't wait to get into that baby.

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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2008, 10:41:08 AM »
wow that b3 looks like it has some good grain, and not the glowing orange color the two of mine have been.

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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2008, 10:44:59 AM »
Trigger look's GREAT! Kev, with all this upgrades on her she should be a real smooth shooter when your done. 8) Ed
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RE: TF99 Total Rebuild Project
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2008, 11:51:10 AM »
I'm impressed and anxious I also have a TF99 and your mods look great I might just try my hand at them.
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