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Offline Gene_SC

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TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« on: December 13, 2008, 10:58:44 AM »


Well I got my new TF-59 yesterday evening. First thing I did was pull off the stock and look at the trigger assy. They did a great job of almost duplicating the Gamo trigger..:) I was curious to see if it would take a GRT-III trigger. Well almost would but the fat pin in the TF had a smaller fat end.. So it would be loose in a GRT-III trigger. It was late and getting cold so I waited until this morning to start working on the TF. First thing I pulled off the trigger assy. from the action. Then I put her up into my spring compressor and got her set up for extracting the internals. After I got everything apart and laid out I measured the fat pin hole on the GRT-III trigger. Since the fat pin just floats in the GRT blade and acts as a travel stop, I decided to make a fat pin from brass. After turning it down in the lathe I tested the fit and made a couple of adjustments. Wa La it was done..:)

Now for the rest of the TF. As usual the spring guide was made out of funky steel, similar to the ones in the Gamo air rifles. It was a floating guide with a head on it. It would seat in the recess of the spring block about 1/64". So I made up a new guide out of delring and fitted it to the original spring which was new. This spring had 42 coils on it and was kinda small in diameter. It could of been allot larger because the difference of the I/D of the piston was quite a bit. Spring kinda flopped around in the piston. So I decided to mod the piston with a piece of delrin. So I measured the I/D of the piston and cut me a piece of delrin where it would be a very tight fit in the piston. Pressed the solid piece of delrin into the piston. I then mounted the piston into the lathe and drilled the hole out from rear to front. After I drilled the hole big enough I took my boring bar and turned it down till I could slide the spring all the way to front of piston. Now I had to figure out how much more I needed to take out in order for when the spring expanded when cocked there would be no binding. After finally getting the right size I wanted I put some spiral groves from front to back. This would hold the heavy tar in place when spring was collapsed and released.



Now was time to do something with the seal. The TF had the generic Chinese screw that held a hard nylon seal in place. Since an Apex seal was what I was going to use I had to make a cone with recessed hole and the right taper to accommodate the Apex seal. So again I chucked up a piece of delrin in the lathe, drilled and cut the taper for the proper angle. Now I could use the new Apex seal on the piston to replace the old hard nylon seal.



Next was to debur the rest of the pieces including the action, piston, cocking shoe etc etc. After I was done with the deburing I cleaned everything up and finished off the combustion chamber with a hone cross hatch. Clean the action once again and then laid everything out in front of me. I double checked all the measurements and pieces I had worked on to make sure I did not miss anything. Which I did..:) I forgot to make the stainless steel washer to fit the spring guide and another on between the bottom of piston and the spring. Had to cut the I/D out of one washer and cut the O/D down to accommodate sitting just below the O/D of the guide and of course fit the guide shaft itself.



Ok now I was ready to stuff everything back together. Got everything compressed and the spring block pins in place and now I put the trigger assy. back in place. Put the barrel and breach block and cocking lever back in place and adjusted up all the hardware for proper fit.



Now I installed the stock and buttoned her up. Wiped everything off and cocked her to set the spring. Cocking was very smooth I might add..:) Now for my first shot out the door. Was very surprised at how quiet the report was. So I shot off another 10 to 20 pellets and boy she even got quieter. Now they advertise the TF-59 .177 to shoot in the 900 fps range. As usual they lied..:) I did take one shot over the chrony before I started and she shot at 824 fps with Gamo Hunter's.

The first shot over the chrony after the tune was 835fps, then 825,829,833,832,829,834, 827,828,831. Not a bad 10 shot deviation..:) To say the least, I was very happy with this 10 shot reading. I will re test after a tin of pellets to see how much she comes up if any at all.



The best thing I liked after this tune was the smooth cocking, quiet and smooth firing cycle and low report noise. I have wondered for a while now about putting a delrin sleeve in an air gun piston and now I know it can be done. Not many air rifles have as much room between the stock spring and inside of piston. After making the liner for the piston the thickness of the liner was .066 . Now the spring makes no contact with any metal, which attributes to avery low action noise when shooting.

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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2008, 11:16:58 AM »
Very nice, gene!  how does she group?

will this be a gun you will be tuning for others now?
Dave

g1 extreme(turbo tuned cdt trigger, choker muzzle break and fix hinge), powerline 1000s(lube tuned...soon to get a makeover), benjamin ss .22 tuned and shortened, patriot .25(british)

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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2008, 11:22:38 AM »
Dave, I shot off about 40 shots after I was all done. Put up a target at 25 yards and sit in a folding chair and shot off hand. I am terrible off hand but I managed to get the scope close. Maybe tomorrow I will have time to sit at my bench rest and check her out. From what I was seeing with Exacts, I was doing a two inch group with no flyers.. As usual Dave, I will be putting a few thousand pellets through her before I decide on this being offered as part of a tune.
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2008, 11:26:50 AM »
ok...sounds like you have a boring job now...WHO WOULD JUST WANNA GO SHOOT FOR A FEW THOUSAND ROUNDS????...i'm jealous, lol, cuz i don't have time to shoot much anymore.
Dave

g1 extreme(turbo tuned cdt trigger, choker muzzle break and fix hinge), powerline 1000s(lube tuned...soon to get a makeover), benjamin ss .22 tuned and shortened, patriot .25(british)

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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2008, 11:36:28 AM »
Well Dave when you get really old and retire, then you may have time to shoot some..:) But retirement comes with its dues..:) Like health n such stuff.
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2008, 11:46:27 AM »
gene, i'll trade places with ya...;)
Dave

g1 extreme(turbo tuned cdt trigger, choker muzzle break and fix hinge), powerline 1000s(lube tuned...soon to get a makeover), benjamin ss .22 tuned and shortened, patriot .25(british)

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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 02:09:32 PM »
Well, dang, Gene. I like your Delrin sleeve idea. Now I'm gonna have to pull my MP512 apart again to see If I can do the same for it. After all, if any air rifle needs a smoother cocking and firing feel, it's the MP512.
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 02:23:23 PM »
Jeremy, the only reason I got buy with the delrin sleeve was because the factory spring was so much smaller in diameter that the I/D of piston. I must say that with that delrin sleeve inside the piston it eliminates all metal noise. You just hear the sear releasing and pop..:) Sounds like it is shooting around 300 fps when in actuality it is shooting now over 800 fps..:)
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2008, 05:16:32 PM »
gene, you shoot any groups yet?
Dave

g1 extreme(turbo tuned cdt trigger, choker muzzle break and fix hinge), powerline 1000s(lube tuned...soon to get a makeover), benjamin ss .22 tuned and shortened, patriot .25(british)

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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008, 02:15:53 AM »
The recoil go up any due to the increased weight/mass of the piston or is she still about the same?

I never got arounf to ordering mine...Payed all the bills and I was  left sorta short on airgun funds.

Oh well...Maybe next time!

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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2008, 05:08:19 AM »
Sam, the delrin sleeve is just a few grams. Believe me when I say when the TF-59 does not make any noise now that that is a fact. Just seer release and muzzle noise. The GRT-III tops off the TF-59 . Maybe today I might have time to check for accuracy.
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2008, 10:18:30 AM »
Sound's like she's humming nicely buddy and the number's look great. :) To top it off you slid a Golden trigger in her, you devil you lol. I knew that if there's a way to upgrade it you would be the one to do it Gene. :) Please keep us updated on how she plays out and run some lead through her. 8) Ed
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 10:51:21 AM »
Well Gene...You've got me sold!!!

I think I'm gonna have to order one and have it shipped straight to you for a tune and a trigger! The velocity numbers and action's got me wanting one even more now.


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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008, 10:57:26 AM »
Sam, you are gonna S^**t when you get it back..:) Unbelievably quiet and smooth..:)
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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Re: TF-59 Tune and Mod's
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008, 10:59:18 AM »
As soon as I can get out of the shop and throw some lead with her buddy I will give you all the numbers..:)
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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