CONDOR MINUS STRIKER WEIGHT 1300 PSI FILL

[melloroadman]

CPH 10.5 , .177 PELLETS , 1300 psi fill , end 800 PSI . First group of 60 shots 2 strings of 25 , 1 string of 10  P.W. at 4 , 16 yard range .
String 1 - 918 , 933 , 926 , 901 , 932 , 940 , 959 , 955 , 922 , 973 , 972 , 978 , 972 , 950 , 980 , 968 , 951 , 969 , 956 , 970 , 959 , 955 , 957 , 955 , 952 , average 952 fps
String 2 - 951 , 953 , 946 , 942 , 941 , 930 , 934 , 935 , 931 , 926 , 924 , 918 , 916 , 910 , 909 , 909 , 903 , 897 , 892 , 893 , 890 , 881 , 879 , 877 , 871 , average 914
String 3 - 869 , 865 , 863 , 860 , 856 , 849 , 849 , 845 , 839 , 838 , average 853 fps
The average 0f first 50 shots 933 fps . The average of all 60 shots 920 fps  . 10 percent deviation on the curve .

Every thing the same except the P.W. is on low
String 1 - 851 , 882 , 848 , 839 , 800 , 838 , 832 , 853 , 871 , 881 , 842 , 872 , 827 , 856 , 860 , 854 , 862 , 886 , 864 , 896 , 889 , 906 , 893 , 915 , 905 , average 865 fps
String 2 - 905 , 895 , 930 , 925 , 919 , 926 , 913 , 913 , 915 , 915 , 914 , 912 , 910 , 896 , 912 , 911 , 909 , 912 , 892 , 890 , 886 , 883 , 889 , 897 , 881 , average 906 fps
String 3 - 867 , 879 , 866 , 865 , 858 , 864 , 860 , 855 , 848 , 846 , 848 , 846 , 840 , 845 , 835 , 835 , 827 , 819 , 823 , 826 , 813 , 818 , 809 , 804 , 801 , average 840 fps
The average of first 50 shots 885 fps . The average of all  75 shots 870 fps . 10 percent deviation on curve .
Up to 81 fill on a 80 c.f. tank Marvin

[SAVAGESAM]

Marvin, how would you compare removing the striker weight Vs. adjusting the power wheel?

[melloroadman]

Sam it gives you a new starting point for adjusting with the P.W. The rifle got a bad name in some circles that it was over powered and only good for hunting . That it was a air waster and has to be worked on all the time . All of the above is not true . The rifle can be a multi use rifle with out any real work or knowledge if one does not get caught up in having to have the last bit of power out of it they can dream of . Hopefully all this info will show other potential buyers that it can be a very enjoyable rifle for their needs . It is not for every one that's for sure but it sure beats having to buy 4 or 5 different rifles when all you need is one . And if I ever have to go back to hand pumping I know now I don't have to pump up to 3000 psi . 700 will work as well or any thing in between . Marvin

[SAVAGESAM]

Marvin, I'll go out a limb here and say you MIGHT not like 700 for hunting. I'm assuming (you know what they say about that) you are referring to your 16 yard indoor range when you mention 700 psi. I use mine almost exclusively for hunting which is why I prefer the .22. Do you or are you planning to hunt with yours? Also keep in mind I believe your above post refers to the condor with the Talon tank??? I believe the condor with the condor tank does waste air, as it comes set up from the factory. I also believe if your not willing to tinker with it and find the "sweet spot" or "compromise setting" you will be wasting air regardless of your objective unless it is to make lots of noise and waste air. I also believe you can't make these things VERY efficient without having at least some knowledge of what you are doing to it and what the result will be. I totally agree with you on the versatility of the platform. I know with mine I learned a lot by tinkering with different settings of the power wheel, top hat and fill pressures and shooting over a chrony. Which btw I believe is a MUST have for one of these guns. imho

[melloroadman]

Sam that is my point . You can use it as a low power target shooter or a high power hunter . Sam if you go back a page or two you will see that even with the condor tank this rifle was air conservative with the fill psi way down and the striker weight still in the rifle . I am not trying to argue here with you but please note that I have not changed any top hat adjustments but once and that was to lower the hat on the talon tank to around .105 to get the slide to close . Other than that I have only had the P.W.set on 1 , 4 , or 10 . 1 for every thing but the 16 grain pellets . The 4 and 10 for the 16 grain pellets .  . The P.W. is only a tool to get a final small adjustment for a different pellet . A.F. suggest the T.H. be adjusted so the slide will close and not move back and forth , then adjust your psi , then the power wheel . which is what I have done . Some  how every one got lost in the confusion and the hipe that high psi makes high fps . and that is not the case as you should be able to see with all these chrony readings . Also remember that with all PCP's you need a chrony to find the sweet spot . I have notice on the talon form several others have lowered their fill psi  as well and gotten better shot counts as well . The thing Sam is most pcps are not as versital and easy to adjust as the A.F. line and can not be made to do what these rifles will do . But with that said and I am not suggesting you fall in to this group . But many that don't know what they are doing are doing the wrong thing and bad mouthing a good USA made rifle because they have become unhappy with their own efforts . Crosman and A.F. rifles are both easy to work on and they get more negative bashing than any thing on the market because many are shooting them selves in the foot my not admitting they screwed up a long the way . Sam there is not a rifle on the market that could not use some help to get a few more shots or a little more speed . But many of them take to much tooling and work for most to be able to do it . And many come with shrouded barrels to hid the waste air noise . If you think Iam wrong think about it . Several on the market have about the same cc. air tank , recommended fill rate , and fps capacity , but the shot count is not as high as what you have seen here and else were . Also what I have done any one that has any skill level at all can do if they watch the c.d . that comes with the rifle . It tell you how to remove the barrel and replace it . The only thing else I have done is remove the screw on the P.W. adjuster that serves as a pointer removed the adjuster after removing the barrel , removed the striker weight , and replace the above mentioned parts . Marvin

[SAVAGESAM]

Marvin you got me wanting to order a 24" .177 barrel BAD!