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Thanks for advice and info
« on: January 16, 2009, 03:09:38 PM »
I was able to build a spring compressor and tear down my Beeman RS2 with no problems. Now to clean it up and make a good shooter better. Thanks again for all the good info and suggestions.

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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 03:18:07 PM »
Can you please explain your procedures 'coz i might do the same with my RS2 and if you used parts where'd you get it. I tried looking at Macarri's stuff and didn't find any for this model. Lastly your observation before and after tune. I'm stuffing on info for my future tune on the RS2. Thanks

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 03:24:40 PM »
You have to make a tool to compress the spring because the trigger holds the spring in the gun. There are a few pots here that give examples. I used a piece of 1 inch dowel 3 inches long. Drill 2 3/8 inch holes 90 degress aprt 1 3/4 inches from the end. Then saw out the excess wood making 2 3/8 inch wide slots 90 degrees apart. this will fit around the trigger and you will be able to use a spring compressor to get the pins holding the trigger in out of the gun and then remove the internal parts.

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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 12:18:26 AM »
Got the spring compressor part, what did you do with the internals? Where did you buy the internals if you reolaced it? We have some Beeman rs2'er might benefit from these share.

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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 01:53:29 AM »
Don't mean to discourage you from working on your own gun, but there is one other tool you really need to get and learn to use if you plan to order replacement parts -- a decent digital caliper.  Then, when ordering, you can specify exactly the OD, ID lenght, thickness, number of coils, etc. of the spring or any part you may need as well as the size of your compression tube ID, etc.

Too many folks out there aren't knowledgeable enough to order the right part or size, and then they complain that the wrong spring or guide or whatever was sent to them for their gun and want their money back.  The springs are so many and so varied, and manufacturers of air rifles, particularly the Chinese guns, seem to change the size and tolerances of the parts they use from time to time.  So guys who make springs, guides and piston seals, like Jim Maccari, have a real headache trying to supply springs for air rifles just based on just the model name in many cases.  That's why you don't see an extensive list of specific air rifles that custom springs and seals are made for, as it would be assumed, correctly or incorrectly, that the manufacturer guarantees that their replacement spring or seal will fit that brand and model gun.  Sometimes it doesn't.

On the other hand, the guys who tune professionally who have lathes and grinders, and drill presses, and all the custom metal working tools needed can work around that sort of problem and fit the parts properly.  Plus they have a wealth of experience knowing what works and what doesn't when they order parts. And many (most?) pro tuners make some of their own parts - fitted spring guides, top hats, thrust washers, etc..  

So, if you need a replacement part, make sure you get the right size measurements of what you need and better still, try to talk to someone who knows the rifle you are working on and get some solid advice before you order.  


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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 07:18:44 AM »
Got digital/analog cliper & micrometer. Just need to suck on more information then sort anything sensible for the undertaking and most important the ability to piece all info into reality. I have absorbed a lot of information so far from anything trown out here..Great place to be, aside from the Navy before I retired last year after 22 years because it's not just a job it was an adventure!!!!

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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 04:07:20 PM »
Here are a few tips I found. I have 2, one in .177, the other in .22 (so I don't have to reset the scope and because I like them so much) One, you can use a washer under you piston seal to help you spread the piston seal a little larger for better performance. Just make sure the hole in the center is large enough to allow the wide part of the screw to pass through it if tested and the outer diam is less than the piston ( I have so many of these sitting around from all the cars I have restored that I just size by eyeball). You will then place this under the seal and tighten the seal over this. What it does is forces the center down more and with that stepped mounting screw, it will force the top out/wider a little bit more, causing a better, tighter seal. In a pinch, the spare seal in a -QF2 B3 kit can be used to replace the factory seal with a little minor work, it will need that head spreading trick noted above, but it has been reliably getting me 950-960 fps in 7.9 .177 CPHP for about 500+ shots now in my buddies gun.
The spring is not all that bad. I not only smoothed the ends, I round them, to allow as little surface area on the washers a possible. Having them smooth and round lets the spring rotate freely and smooths the firing action. A Dremel can do this for you. JM lubes in moderation also helped. Dime size washers can be placed in the piston between the top hat and piston for a little more pre-load. I have used 3 so far without problem.
Replacement breach seals, so important for optimal performance, were made from #78 O-rings. They need a little work, but not much. I place one over the end of the spare barrel and using my dremel, sand a small amount down all the way around it. This trick alone change the FPS on my .22 with CPHP from the 715 or so I was please with to 775. With Beeman silver bears it hits at 810. Not bad for a gun advertised at 1000 for .177 and 800 for .22.
You need to make/buy a few shims/washers for the cocking lever and trigger to reduce the side play on each. I made some "C" type out of thin sheet stainless steel and slipped them in and squeezed the ends of the "C" together to lock them down so as to negate the need to knock these assemblies apart. All in all these are simple and easy to do, with the most expensive part being the QF2 kit and odds are you won't need that. The rest is just basic blueprinting or the mechanism. These are big heavy guns, but they can easily out perform B-26's based on what I have seen tuned  B26's being reported as doing, and if the review by BB pelleter is valid, the Benjamin silver streak that cost over twice as much.
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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 12:56:42 AM »
John,
Thanks for your info..that was the missing link to make this spring pusher push that lead with ease and precision. It's always beneficial to have several aces up the sleeves when doing a job.
Leo

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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 01:56:50 AM »
I just put up a post  on what I did to improve my Walmart RS2 over in the Air Gun Gate yesterday. I didn't have to replace any parts, just clean up and lube the ones that were already there. Got about 10% more power out of the gun afterwards.
Anything worth doing almost always requires more effort than its worth.

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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 08:44:18 AM »
Yes, that is what my tool looked like, but I used an 18mm deep dish socket to start with. Used a heavy metal 3/8" wide grinding wheel in my grinder and cut out the same slots. The plus is, mine is metal. Hard wood or not, it is still wood, and that spring can have plenty of pressure behind it. If that wood splits, splinters or snaps, hope your face is not above it. Be safe, remake it in metal. May not need a socket as it is expensive (mine was already cracked, so it was destined for the trash anyways) but you can do the same with a small length of copper pipe in a 1 in diam. I just hate spending money if I don't have to and/or letting things go to waste. Humm. that from a guy who just spent 12K this year on replacing my pool and furnace/air conditioner, both of which were still working.
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Re: Thanks for advice and info
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 09:39:56 AM »
I was actually thinking about making something similar out of PVC or maybe Delrin rod before I ran across that post. You're right about using wood - I don't think it will hold up in the the long haul - but its easy to work with and makes a decent short-term expediant tool. If I take it apart again I'll go ahead and remake the tool out of something tougher.
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