Author Topic: AA S410 Safety Problem  (Read 3583 times)

Offline Remo

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AA S410 Safety Problem
« on: January 18, 2009, 01:32:36 AM »
I've been breaking in my new .177 S410 and just last night noticed that the safety button in the trigger had become "soft", didn't cleanly engage the safety and was moving by itself between set, unset and something in between.  Inspection revealed that a tiny set screw holds the safety button in place within the trigger, and that screw had begun to work itself out of the trigger, effectively disabling the safety button.  A quick search online revealed that the safety button is held in place by a ball bearing, spring and screw combination.  If that screw had completely worked itself loose, the entire safety button mechanism would fall out of the trigger!

I get the allen wrenches that were supplied with the rifle, and since there is not enough cleareance between the safety button set screw and the rear of the trigger guard to insert the allen wrench, I cannot get the wrench in to even see if it's the proper size.  No access hole is cut in the rear of the trigger guard for this purpose.  Good Lord, am I going to have to remove the stock and trigger mechanism just to tighten this screw?  That's like dropping the engine to change the oil!!

I managed to tighten the screw somewhat using a bare fingertip so that it is no longer in danger of falling out of the trigger.  It is uncertain how many layers of skin were sacrificed in the process, but I have one sore finger!

Now, what size is that nasty screw and how can I get it properly tightened?

A word of caution to all S4xx owners...check your safety, it may not be working!

Eric
.177 S410
.22  Talon SS
.177 Beeman C1
.177 Crosman NPSS
.177 Beeman P1
.177 Beeman P3
.177 Colt 1911 (CO2)
.22  Crosman 2240

Offline gamo2hammerli

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Re: AA S410 Safety Problem
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 07:02:48 AM »
Thanks for this important heads-up....now I'll go check my trigger safety button.  It'll be a pain in the "you know what" if that little screw fell out and taken the ball bearing and spring with it...you'll never find them again.
Gamo: Expotec .177 + Big Cat .177 + Viper .177 + Whisper .177, Hammerli Titan .177, Diana model 24 .177, RWS-Diana P5 Magnum pistol .177, Crosman: G1 Extreme .177 + Storm XT .177 + Sierra Pro .177 + 1377 pistol .177, Air Arms S410SL .22, BSA Scorpion T10 .22, FX Cyclone .177, Remington Air Master 77 .177 + BB\'s,

Offline TCups

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RE: AA S410 Safety Problem
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 07:28:56 AM »
Will check mine, too.  In general, a safety that is an integral part of the trigger blade seems a poor design, to me.  Even when working properly, one has to push on the side of the trigger blade to engage or disengage the safety.  And that is the potential for problems.

Offline spysir

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Let it fall man.
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 07:58:58 AM »
Now that is just me, we only own one rifle with a safety (career MKII .25) and I dont think we know how to turn it on. I also like 4 ounce triggers however your shooting applications are likely different than ours. AND, AA designed it, built it and you paid for it, it should be the one thing they made darn sure was right from the factory and right everytime without fail.
 Now again this is just me and we have the older AA410 EXTRA .177 but taking the action out to adjust the trigger was THE best airgun design I could have ever hoped for. On ours (new ones are the same ?) you just loosen two bolts, lift the side plate off the trigger group and EVERYTHING is exposed in place ready for you to watch exactly what each adjustment is doing, laying on it's right side you can dryfire (w/air naturally) it. A most user friendly design.
 As it is new the dealer should be most instered in helping you should you need anything for a proper perminate fix. Also Bori the AA importer is just the nicest person to deal with, I cant say enough about his knowledge well, hospaility -via the phone- for lack of a better word.
 Have you checked the AA forum yetfor others who might have seen this?
Keep us posted because this is a potentialy serious safety and safety issue.

and could you post a picture when you get in there

 John

Offline daved

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RE: AA S410 Safety Problem
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 12:52:02 PM »
This is a perfect example of what happens when some lawyer makes them add some after thought liability "fix".  The older AA's didn't have safeties, match rifles don't have safeties either.  I guess the idea of keeping the safety between your ears engaged at all times is beyond their understanding :-).  Also another example of the gov't. "protecting" us from ourselves.  Stepping off my soap box now...

Dave

Offline TCups

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RE: AA S410 Safety Picutres
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 01:34:40 PM »
Here are the pictures.  Two screws for the trigger adjustment.  A third in the back of the trigger blade apparently retains a small ball + spring detent.  The safety is a cylindrical button that toggles to and fro, with a slot cut into the frame of the trigger housing on the left that permits the trigger to be pulled when the safety button in pushed in from the right side.

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RE: AA S410 Safety Problem
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 03:28:16 PM »
Following the instructions on this page of the AA Owners Club.  The trigger assembly is very very easy to access and adjust...

http://www.airarmsownersclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3578

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RE: AA S410 Trigger
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 04:01:21 PM »
Welcome to the GTA, Bob!
Thanks for the link.  Apparently it cannot be accessed without registering -- not a problem.  I will have to check out the site.