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Offline Jerrycup

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Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« on: January 20, 2009, 01:12:25 PM »
I found an interesting comparison of the BAM copy of the Weihrauch "Rekord" trigger. A "guest blogger" named Vince did this for the "Pyramyd Air Report" on Jan 15 and Jan 19.

It's an interesting and detailed comparison. Overall, it's a pretty favorable review of our Chinese source's ability to copy...

This is in two parts, and you'll have to scroll down a bit on both these links. It appears to me that the second link may be used in a rotating fashion to bring up the current page, so you may need to check this. The two posts are in the January 15 and 19 Tom Gaylord blogs.

In the second post Vince (he does not give us a surname) goes to some extremes to discover why the feel of the BAM "Rekord" is not as nice as the original, and he experiments to prove a theory based on his measurements of the parts. It seems pretty convincing he was able to improve the trigger "feel", and does not seem too difficult so long as you are ready to take the trigger group apart and you have a Dremel tool. Of course, perhaps putting it back together properly is a bigger trick.

But for a B-26 fanboy, this is interesting reading. And Mike Melick, I think you need to study this...

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2009/01/for-rekord-part-1.html

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/archive/2009_01_01_pyramydair_archive.html

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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2009, 04:38:37 PM »
Interesting stuff.  I would love to get a couple of the BAM trigger assemblies from Mike to take apart and play with.  I have now developed the nerve to go into the Rekord triggers of both my HW30s and my R9GF to make some serious adjustments.  The engagement adjustment screw shown in the diagram can only be accessed by dropping out the trigger assembly.  Unlike the slotted screw shown in the diagram, at the front of lever 3b, the Rekord triggers have a tiny torx screw (T8 I believe) that is very stiff to adjust.  Run it in just a fraction and watch through the round hole on the side of the trigger assembly and you can watch how far down on the 2 lever the 3b lever rides.  When it is very near the edge with maybe 1 mm of travel, then back out the pull weight adjustment to a point where, when the 1st stage pull is let off, the 3b lever moves back up slightly, returning to the initial position.  If the pull weight tension is too light, the 3b lever hangs at the edge and the gun becomes dangerous.  But with about 1mm over-ride of the 3b lever on the 2 lever and sufficient tension on the pull weight adjustment, the Rekord trigger will perform almost as well as a "thought trigger" on a true match rifle - a very light, but perceptible and crisp second stage let off.  After the adjustment, I put the gun in a rest and gave her 3 or 4 sharp, strong raps on the butt with a rubber mallet to make sure it wasn't unstable.  There are detailed instructions on the set up of the Rekord trigger in the library.  Read them carefully before trying it.  But the trigger on my HW30s is now set to a really nice target trigger.  The R9GF I set with a bit more 2nd stage as I hunt with it, but still significantly lighter than the factory setting.  Light, crisp triggers become addictive pretty quickly, once you get used to them.

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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2009, 05:56:16 PM »
I have an extra Rekord trigger blade in my box and it's going in my new B26 first thing!I had a feeling the trigger 'bumps' were the culprit. And yeah the pin spacing is different...in one of my "genius" moments, I tried to swap in a Rekord from my R7...no go! Let you know how it goes!
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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 10:50:35 PM »
I read the blog, do so every day....I am replacing the front adjustment screw on the BAM's with a screw and nut set up for more adjustment, if the trigger weight is set correctly 99% of shooters will have a very had time telling the difference. I set my triggers up so when the slack or first stage is pulled it takes about a pound of pull to trip the trigger, the 26 isn't a match rifle so it doesn't really need a 4 oz. pull for pest control, it can be set to that pull but it makes me darn nervous....

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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 12:01:50 AM »
I dislike a trigger you cannot touch. And my B-26 trigger (not sure what adjustment you made to mine last summer) is OK. The comments on the blog seem to indicate that some BAM triggers don't have any first stage as delivered from the factory.
Mine does, and I'm unsure what his grinding of that lobe would feel like. I interpret that he suggests the grinding gives it more of a second stage (slack?).

 I would have guessed you know as much as the blogger having worked on so many.
Do his comments ring true to you?

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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009, 01:11:58 AM »
The blog is correct in all respects, Vince might be a tad picky about his triggers though....i have been doing all that he talked about for quite some time trying to get the best out of the 26's, still have things to learn about them but thats a good thing.....

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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2009, 02:02:58 AM »
LOL Mike, I have always thought Vince was picky about iron sights...:) Hey as far as the B26 tirggers go, they can be tuned out very nicely and I think Mike has been at it long enough now that those B26 triggers almost have to be as nice as the original Rekord tirgger after he complets a tune on them. Hey guys the B-26 is a whole lot cheaper than most all Weihrauch air rifles even when adding the extra money for a tune. I personally think Mike is a first class tuner when it comes to the Bam series air rifles. Just look at the responses from the ones he sells to. Never a complaint and always praise at his prices and work.
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RE: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2009, 02:32:32 AM »
Very interesting, Jerry.

I once heard a story, (some say true, others swear false!) that long ago in a far away galaxy, someone came up with a basic idea for a replacement trigger blade sure to be a great success. It looked pretty good, but in fact, it just didn't work all that well in some guns and in others, it didn't work at all. Very often the trigger had to be re-worked and customized in order to even fit and function, so that a substantial number of replacement trigger installations turned into a labor intensive, custom trigger jobs. A young, upstart air gun tuner who had frequently worked with these triggers finally grew weary of such toil and trouble and said to himself: "self - I think I can do better" And he did. He made design changes and came up with a jewel of a trigger that fit more air rifles and that could be easily installed, by even those will little experience in working on air rifles. It seems no laws were broken or patents infringed upon. And it soon brought fame, if not fortune, to it's designer. But since it looked superficially very much like the earlier, but flawed trigger (except to those educated in the nuances of high quality trigger design) some cried "foul! -- a mere copy of someone else's work!"  When one truly begins to understand the subtlety of shape and function of the critical surfaces of a well designed trigger, and what substantial differences in the function and feel of a trigger result from altered tolerances of a few thousandths here and an somewhat improved shape there (not unlike those described in the BAM vs the Rekord trigger blade in the blogs you reference, referenced blog), then one begins to have some insight and understanding about very successful and less successful trigger designs.

Very interesting reading, indeed.

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Re: Rekord trigger - BAM vs Weihrauch
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 08:21:40 AM »
I like the way Mike had my trigger on my B26 set, its a light and predictable pull with very little first stage take up, probably around 1 and a half pounds, unless your match shooting from a bench I really don't think you would want it any lighter.
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