Man Im sorry I forgot to reply to yer post/pm Buddy,,,, how very rude of me!! :0 Im thinkin I may now go with a 22XX (c-02) of some type for spring/summer duty,,,,Ill be needin some "jungle love green" on her!! :p 8) . Since I personally find the factory grips comfortable,,,have you had any luck paintin em?? (adhesion promoter??) If not,,, I gots some wood ones. #2,,,have you had any luck getting paint to stick th the main tube,,trigger frame,,steel or plastic breach?? Im probly just gonna use factory sights/my own small shroud so I can holster me "Lil Snake Charmer"!!LOL!! (And for the ocasional rouge Nutter that I "Percieve" as a threat to me) :p If need be,,,I can get my Buddy to spray some automotive "etching" primer on questionable parts. ( I would rather pay you Buddy). No need to answer all here,,,,, Ill PM Ya my ph. #,, THANKS BUDDY!! :D Tim.