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Postal match targets
« on: February 01, 2009, 10:14:24 PM »
I had a lengthy post all ready to post and lost it.  
Drat's!!!  
Quick version.  We need to select a target and a distance that you guys are comfortable with.  Since this is still winter everyone may not have 20 yds available to them.  We can do whatever we want and change it whenever we want.  Lets create our own starting point.  
CMP Rimfire Sporter shoots the exact same size target at 25 yds for offhand that they shoot at 50 yards for seated and prone.  Their mentality is not to discourage new competitors from participating.  Even having a "friendly" target has not produced a perfect 600. Just something to think about.  
So lets get this show on the road.  
Target, target paper, distance, sights, number of shots, pellet type.
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RE: Postal match targets
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 12:40:23 AM »
Charlotte, Maybe you could take over this thread! Closing day for the competition is this Sunday at midnight! I didn't seem to get many responses, but you may have better luck!
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13972&posts=15#M112752
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RE: Postal match targets
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 01:11:27 AM »
Andy, you're doing just fine and I'm glad you jumped on this.  Let's discuss targets first.  Basically we can shoot either a bullseye target or a critter shaped target.  
Then lets discuss distance.  The person with the shortest distance available to him/her will determine what everybody shoots just to keep it even if that is OK with everybody.
How about some feedback.
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RE: Postal match targets
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 01:40:31 AM »
10 meters........ off hand ............ with the Gamo target that fits their trap. These are available most places... relatively inexpensive .... and because most of us are not Olympic candidates ( LOL); do present a nice challenge .5 shots per target ......... 4 targets for a possible total of 200 points . Shot has to be totally inside the 10 ring to be an X , no line touching . If it touches the line, it's just a 10 . Pellet just has to touch line for greater value. kirby EDIT: I noticed this was in the springer target forum. Maybe I should posted this in the general target forum and all types of rifles could use this format . just a suggestion anyways.
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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2009, 02:55:28 AM »
Why not come up with some standard targets that we all can use for the different events. I need to sit down when I shoot..:) So free standing shooting will be out for me..:) Different positions at different distances. This way us older farts can participate..:)
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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 03:11:34 AM »
For the " sitters " I would suggest the regular 10 meter target with only one shot per bull and no rest , rifle or pistol has to be self supported . elbows on the bench . I'll look for a downloadable target ,  kirby
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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 03:18:29 AM »
lets try this one . http://rimfireshooting.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=250 OK That one seems to work . Print out 4 copies , Use top left target as a sight in target , the other 5 as scoring targets , one shot per bull , 20 shots total , 200 point possible , 10 ring dot has to be completely removed with shot , to count as an X . What do think ? just suggestions. I'll copy and post this in the general target forum also . kirby
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RE: Postal match targets
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 12:44:37 PM »
Kirby, I should have done this in the common area, but here we are.  I'll move it over
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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 12:51:47 PM »
This makes sense.  I like the GAMO target and have plenty of them.  I also have regular 10 meter targets.  
This place has 10 meter targets also http://www.gamecalls.net/free_stuff/52_free_targets.html

Are there any objections to the 10 meter target for benched and the Gamo target for offhand?
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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2009, 02:20:50 PM »
My pellet trap is home made and set up for standard 8.5x11 paper, I print all my own targets.  I'm also limited to 10 yards at the moment, too cold to shoot outside.  Don't know what the Gamo target looks like but I could probably duplicate it or find something comparable on the web.  BTW, I like to print my targets on 110 lb. card stock, makes cleaner holes and doesn't tear.  Quick question, why have two different targets?  Not trying to be difficult, just curious.

Just noticed I didn't answer your question.  Yes, I object to the Gamo target because I don't have any :-).  Can I use the other one?  Later.

Dave

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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2009, 02:32:19 PM »
Two targets are needed to make both styles of shooting challenging. If the Gamo targets were used at 10 meters for bench shooting , nobody would have a problem getting all 10's. The gamo target is plenty challenging for offhand IMO . Jeff posted a link to a 5 spot gamo target here http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r314/JQR25/Gamox5.jpg for those who need them . kirby
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standard distance and reduced range targets
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 03:00:34 PM »
If you decide on a standard target and range, example the Gamo rifle target at 10 yards, you can make reduced targets for the guys that don't have say 10 meters (~33ft) to shoot.  The Pellant target program has been used by many people to make their own targets.

Now here is the "problem"; you CANNOT simply reduce the target based on the reduction in distance (say from 10 yards to 6 yards).  This is because the pellet size is not reduced by the same percentage, so the hole in the target is the same size.  What this means is you will get a higher score shooting at closer range with a % based reduced range target when compared to shooting at the standard range.  BTW, this is the same reason that in the "old days" target shooters would shoot a .45cal instead of a .32 bigger hole, better chance to nick the higher ring on a shot close to the line.
To deal with this you have to adjust the ring size to compensate for the pellet, which will also compensate for .177 vs .22.  This is not difficult as I had to do it.  I have an Excel spreadsheet "someplace" that will do the computations for you.

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AP target?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2009, 03:10:09 PM »
For the standing shooters, how about using the 10 meter air PISTOL target?
Those that don't want to print their own can easily buy them.  Since they are a standard target, would be a LOT easier to find than the Gamo target...I think.

For those who have a Gamo target, here are ring diameters for the 10m AP target for you to compare.

10 - 11.5mm
9 - 27.5
8 - 43.5
7 - 59.5
6 - 75.5
5 - 91.5
4 - 107.5
3 - 123.5
2 - 139.5
1 - 155.5

Black bull is out to the 7 ring (59.5mm)

printing your own target, just out to the 6 ring, and you can print 6 targets on an 8-1/2x11 sheet

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RE: standard distance and reduced range targets
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 03:44:38 PM »
This is getting far more complex than it needs to be for what is supposed to be just for fun.  We have 2 targets to choose from depending on shooting style, sounds good enough to me.  So now I'm going to go see just how badly I can shoot ;-)!  Later.

Dave

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Re: Postal match targets
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2009, 02:33:28 AM »
I agree with you Dave, lets keep it simple and just for fun.
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH: BSA Lightning XL, AA TX-200, AA ProSport, BSA Ultra, HW-97K, Crosman NPSS .177, FX Cyclone, HW-30 Nicle Plated, AA-S200, Crosman Marauder, CZ-634, R-9 DG, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Kantana, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery.....
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