Condor vs Sumatra

[ZELDA]

Hi, Im saving up for a PCP and i have 2 in mind. The AirForce Condor .22 or the Sumatra 2500, 500cc Reservoir by Eun Jin .22. What would you prefer out of these two? Im mainly looking for power, accuracy and range. Mainly used for hunting. I dont really care about sound. So, which one OUT OF THESE TWO would you choose? Give your reasons, pros and cons. Thanks.

[melloroadman]

I went through the same thing about 2 months back and bought the Condor . The reasons were trigger pull on the Condor is about have the weight , shot count is higher , Condor modular construction makes it easy to change calibers or power levels and a spare tank can be taken with me if I want to . I have a Career 201 S and like it and know it is a good quality accurate rifle as well but the reasons stated above won me over this time and I do not regret it at all .Marvin

[ribbonstone]

Pick the things you "gotta have"

1. Easy to maintain/repair
2. Multi shot repeater
3. Fully adjustable
4. Traditional rifle fit/feel
5. Replacement barrels/caliber conversions
6. Factory adjustable trigger


If most of your "gotta haves" wre odd numbers...the Condor
If most of them were even numbers...the Sumatrra

[ZELDA]

I think im gonna go with the condor .22. But, what kind of maintain/repair do you have to do? Of course clean it externally and clean out the barrel. What else? Will I have to disassemble it. And how long should this gun last if maintained?

[melloroadman]

The rifle has a life time warranty and there is nothing special that has to be done . They are very easy to do the normal cleaning and service work on . It comes with a cd that explains how to remove the barrel and install options . I will give you a link that will show you the break down and explain how the rifle works . Marvin
http://www.stealthresource.org/

[SAVAGESAM]

Maitenance is minimal. IF you keep it clean. I have the Condor. Don't know anything about the Sumatra. But I don't know of any other gun out there that offers more flexability/versatility as the Condor. You can go from smasher to plinker very easy. Also if you feed them what they like, they are VERY accurate.

[ZELDA]

Ok, thanks. But, do you guys disassemble the air valve on the actual tank very often? Cause, that just looks like a pain and it looks pretty unnecessary. But, I will lube it and change out the breech O rings every once and a while.Thanks.

[SAVAGESAM]

No, I don't disassemble the valve. If fact all I've ever done is play around adjusting the top hat over my chrony. I put very little divers silicone on the bolt/breech and that's it.

[ZELDA]

Cool. So, how do you get the MOST possible power out of the top hat adjustment. I dont have a chrony, so can you just tell me how tight or whatever?

[SAVAGESAM]

Well, keep in mind the "most power" is gonna waste air and you probably won't get the "most accuracy".  First off I would measure my top hat so I know where it came from the factory at. Write it down. Then I would adjust it out as far as you can while still being able to close and lock the bolt. Again this is not a suggestion from me on how to "set up" a rifle. It's an answer to the question you asked. Also be VERY careful when you tighten the top hat set screws and use a low strength lock tite.

[ZELDA]

Alright. I might just keep it as it is factory set and lock tite it in place. But, why low strength lock tite. If im SURE that I want it set at that power, shouldnt I just use a strong lock tite and be done with it?

[SAVAGESAM]

No. There's no need for a thing stronger. In fact some just put a small dab of finger nail polish or super glue on the screw and call it good. You never know you might want to adjust it one day. If your ever inclined you could head over this way and I'd let you shoot over my chrony.

[ZELDA]

Ha. Thanks bro. Il just do that- With a little bit of super glue.

[ribbonstone]

..and won't have a gun that I can't take fully apart and fix if I need to.  Have had both the Sumatra and the Air force (Talon) fully to pieces and got it all back together correctly.

AirForce desings are much more durable.  ALL seals sooner or later leak, but the AIrForce design has only the valve seal under any real pressure...super simple, easy to fix if/when it needs it.

Sumatra design is not only a bit complicated, some parts of it just seem "backwards" from what you expect.  Sill a robust design, but a whole lot more moving parts and seals.

[daved]

One of the nice things about the Talon/Condor rifles is the ability to easily and quickly change calibers and power level just by swapping out a barrel.  BUT, different barrels and/or calibers will probably need different settings, so keep it adjustable, no red loctite.

Slightly different subject, but if you're not willing to spend $100 or less on a chrony, I wouldn't suggest you buy an Air Force rifle.  If ever there was an air rifle that could be said to need a chrony, this is it.  Sure, you can shoot them without one, but you will NEVER get the best performance from one of these guns until you spend the time with a chrony to really dial it in.  And like all air rifles, every one is an individual, what works for mine might not work for yours, so using someone elses settings might get you in the ball park, but it probably won't be a home run.  Of course, that's JMO, but I'll bet most of the other Talon/Condor owners on the forum would agree.  Later.

Dave