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Offline PelletPaul

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100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« on: February 21, 2009, 11:55:24 PM »
Went to the range finally yesterday.  Wanted to shoot both Diana 54 and Cyclone, however the 54 blew a seal the night before.  Send it off to my tuner for repair.  So there I was with the Cyclone.  Windy day 5-15mph wind.  I really should not have shot these long distances and you will see why.  I'am embarrassed by these results.  Shows how critical the wind has effected pellet projection.  A few weeks ago there were claims that a springer could do 2" groups at 100 yards with something like a 2 to 4" holdover.  The Cyclone shoots 29.7FPE and was sighted in at 25 yards.  Holdover for 100 yards was more than 20 inches!  I didn't believe it at the time and now I call BULL.  There are others on these forum that said the same thing. I shot 50 and 100 yards repectfully:


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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2009, 01:41:31 AM »
At least you hit the paper on the 100 yard shot Paul. Very nice group at 50 yards though.  Was it the same size BULL for the 100 yard target as the 50 yard target.

Thanks for sharing and now I know my FX Cyclone can do as good at those ranges...
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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2009, 03:40:12 AM »
You just got done saying it was way to windy and you should not have done it . Then you turn around and call the man a lair . I find no credibility in this post . Sorry Marvin

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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 04:08:31 AM »
We'll see what the final results were from other forum members.  I'am just asking to be realistic.    Paul
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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 04:19:15 AM »
Then give it another try another day when things are right . Marvin

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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 05:47:52 AM »
I agree with that.  I'll wait until I get back my 54 from the tuner, then will do it again.  Meanwhile I would like to see pictures not stories about 2" groups at 100 yards with a springer, any springer...............Paul
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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 07:54:52 AM »
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I should just leave this one alone.  Check out the holdover for a pellet weighing 14.5 from a velocity of 850.  Around 22-24 inches above target at 100 yards, not 4 or 8 inches.  The pellet would have to be traveling at 1300fps to achieve a 4-8 inch holdover.  I checked this calculation on another ballistic chart with same results.  Please explain this melloman?
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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 08:06:25 AM »
I live in a real world not a chart world . Once the maps of the word showed this world as flat but now we know it is not . Once the charts showed a air plane could not get off the ground but know we know it can . Once  the charts showed man could not get to the moon but now we know he can . I also know my father taught me two things 1 Just because I can not do some thing does not mean the person next in line can not . And second thing is don't kick a dead dog it might just be sleeping and get up and bit you . Marvin

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Okay, guys, enough...
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 08:21:18 AM »
Neither of you is going to change the other ones mind, so let it go.  Next stop, Non-productive Posts.  Later.

Dave

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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2009, 09:00:52 AM »
Dave - I'am just trying to learn something.  Apparantly melloman knows something I don't?
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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2009, 01:17:10 PM »
Sorry guys,... but wind has nothing to do w/ pellet drop, and Paul is correct.

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2009, 01:36:45 PM »
Sorry guys,... but wind has nothing to do w/ pellet drop, and the rest is pure ballistics.
An 830fps (muzzle) pellet reaches the target w/ ~430fps remaining,for an average velocity of ~615ps over the 100 yards

That means a half second flight time to target w/ a resulting 4-ft drop by pure 1/2aT(sq) math.Tilting the barrel up to compensate for a scope 1-1/2 inches above the boreline when sighting at 25yrds reduces the net drop to ~28 inches, not four. Ain't no way around the simple physics

Paul is correct.

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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2009, 01:47:43 PM »
Thanks Mike.  I guess you can't call physics a Liar.
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Re: 100 Yard challenge/Cyclone
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2009, 09:08:34 PM »
Whatever the hold-over.....that's still great shooting with your FX Cyclone!!!!
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