CCording to Straightshooters these are both heavy recoil guns and should be scoped with scopes that can handle the harsh recoil as well as one-piece mounts. I don't have any experience with anything this stout in the RWS springers. I would suggest you check the Straightshooters site. They list some scopes as well as a one-piece mount for these rifles. If you are a penny pincher like me, you could try one of the full length Leapers, say at Scragglepoint, that is TS rated along with a set of the Accushot one-piece mounts. I have 3-9 x 40 Leapers with the Accushot one-piece mounts on a Gamo S1k and a Remington Genesis. Both of these rifles have a pretty harsh recoil. The scopes seem to be holding up OK after about 500 shots each.
Allen White