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why you'd vote Democrat
« on: March 05, 2009, 02:57:55 PM »
I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a much better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I voted Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they'll now know we're good people.

I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I voted Democrat because I believe that businesses should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite The Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.

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RE: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 03:47:55 PM »


Well Jerry,



I'm glad that you at least have 9 reasons for voting Democratic. You have thought you decision out, and did not vote for ObamaNation because you thought he was the anti-christ, a rock star or some kind of super hero.



Very Good Post,



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RE: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 09:23:03 AM »
"I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius."

This is total crap.  I'm a climate scientist by day, airgunner by weekend, and this statement just shows how uninformed you (and others) are on the subject.  Raining on Friday is WEATHER, and change 10 years from now is CLIMATE.  There is a big difference between the two.  Strangely enough, we are much better at predicting the climate than we are with the weather.  It seems illogical that we can't predict what will happen 5 days from now, but we can 10 years from now.  But this is based on the difference between weather and climate.  Climate is basically the 30-year running average of the sum of all weather within that 30-year window.  So, if we've been warming for 30 years straight, there's a damn good chance we'll be warming again next year.  And the next.  And the next.  We can make good predictions with a low probability of error based on long-term trends.  But, because it rains Tuesday through Thursday, there's absolutely no reason to say one way or another if it will rain on Friday.

And the main problem with greenhouse gases is not the cars.  That's right, it's not the cars.  It's coal-powered electricity.  Until we get the USA, India, and China off of coal, no number of Pruises on the road will change anything.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 09:32:08 AM »


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RE: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 10:12:59 AM »
Jay, I think Jerry was just pointing out in a exaggerated manner the how the lefties see things..:) I firmly believe we could have done away with coal and oil many years ago. We have the science and ability to end all this fossil fuel crap. QUESTION... Why has the government tried to change us over years ago... I bet someone here is smart enough to fingered this one out..:)
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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2009, 11:00:04 AM »
Hay if the horse gets health insurance, I say go for it. Polygamy is OK and then you can get all the animals covered.  I am not sure in MO if you marry your horse that you still have to list her on the personal property tax form.
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RE: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2009, 12:30:22 PM »


Hello Jay,



Not to put down your vocation, but I remember 40+ years ago, when the Climatologist's were telling us that we were heading into an New Ice Age .



And I can't see how adding up the temperatures for the last 30 years tells us anything more that what the temperatures have been over the last 30 years.



Now if we have a massive Solar Burst, we will be crispy no matter what fuel you are burning.



And if a tsunami can nock the planet 3 degrees off its axis, or a volcanic eruption can cause years without summer, or a cosmic energy burst can come from nowhere and wipe out the solar system, I can't see a problem right now, here today.



I have read recently, that the methane gas given off by cows here in America, causes more greenhouse gasses than all the cars in America. Now why don't we develop collectors to harvest all this available energy and stop the pollution.



Oh, and 40+ years ago, the Climatologist came to their conclusion due to the ice caps expanding, I guess that scientific study was wrong. Over the millennia the Earth has gone through many changes, and may go through many more changes.



As for the predictability factor, as many "believe in Global Warming" as Not ??? I would call Climatology an experimental Science or a science in study, just as Meteorology, Physiology, Psychiatry, and a few others "sciences".



But then this is just my opinion, or theory.

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RE: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2009, 12:48:49 PM »
I can't remember. Is it OK to drink coffee these days?? I think I remember something about Scientists saying it was, then saying it wasn't, then saying it was, then saying it wasn't ,then saying........

Scientists are only as good as the data they collect. Or in this case, the data they are told to collect. You know, the data where the money comes from.

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RE: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2009, 01:52:48 PM »
Yes, agreed.  And climate change is multi-factorial.  But as a greenhouse gas, CO2 exerts measurable effects only in the absence of water vapor (the most abundant greenhouse gas).  Further, the greatest source or potential source of atmospheric CO2 is hardly coal.  It is dissolved CO within ocean water.  Raise the temp of ocean water and more CO2 comes out of solution, raising atmospheric CO2 levels.  Did you catch that?  Increasing temperature results in increasing atmospheric CO2.  That is know  with certainty -- but not the converse.  And on the cosmic scale of things, solar activity dominates the cyclic changes in global temperature change.  This is also proven with near certainty.  Any theoretical man-made effect on climate change is miniscule by comparison,  irrespective of any computer model that can be constructed to show otherwise.  To argue that climate change is not occurring or does not occur is unfounded and absurd.  To postulate that man-made CO2 is the primary contributor to global climate change is not only scientifically unproven, it is exceedingly unlikely, and politically motivated.
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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 05:23:20 PM »
I vote Democrat because Republicans are hypocrites.
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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2009, 03:23:39 AM »
Call me a hypocrite.  I am guilty, certainly.  But this excellent essay explains better than I possibly could why I am a social and fiscal Conservative, why I think same-gender marriage is wrong, why I oppose abortion on demand, why I oppose socialized medicine, why I am a hypocritical, judgmental, racist, bigoted, homophobic, money-grubbing capitalist, and most always vote Republican.  It has been beautifully and thoughtfully expressed in Mr. Prager's essay.  I urge you to read his complete lecture and think about it the next time "hypocrisy" or any of the other derogatory epithets that are typically flung at us religious conservatives comes to mind.  But much more importantly, read it before you vote in the next election.  Please?

See:  http://www.heritage.org/Research/PoliticalPhilosophy/HL515.cfm

The American Tradition of Personal Responsibility
by Dennis Prager
Heritage Lecture #515

which reads, in part . . .

"We need ideals even though people do not always practice them, and even though advocating ideals means that people will inevitably be called hypocrites when they do not live by the ideals that they profess. Hypocrisy, when so understood, is a positive thing. It means that at least you have a value that can render you hypocritical. I therefore have very little problem with hypocrisy. The only alternative is for there to be no ideals. Only then could no one be a hypocrite.

. . .  What is unique about our society? The United States was a socieiy founded on the almost unique belief that who your ancestors are is far less important than who you are. This was a monumentally important belief about the worth of the individual.

. . . Along with this individualism came individual responsibility: Just as I am rewarded for my good behavior, I am accountable for my bad behavior. This belief was a result of the individualism just described and of the Judeo-Christian ethic that also animated the founders of this country. Essential to Judaism and Christianity is the notion that you are accountable for your behavior-to God, ultimately.

. . .  One source of the onslaught against personal responsibility and accountability is secularism. As a secular individual in a secular, multi-ethnic society, to whom will I be accountable? Without a religious code, a religious community, a God, or a homogeneous secular ethnic community, to whom am I responsible? Obviously, only to the authorities--but what if I can elude the authorities?--and to myself.

. . . In America today, much of society holds that we are responsible only to ourselves. We have interiorized everything: We-nothing outside of us-and how we feel--not how we behave--are all that matter in assessing us. As a result, we are witnessing the death of a very important socializing tool-stigma.

. . . Without accountability to an outside authority or standard, and without stigma, the only remaining responsibility is to self Self-which may have once meant one's conscience but now simply means one's feelings-has become for many people the one standard of behavior: If I feel good, the act is good. I have no accountability to anyone or anything but my feelings.

. . .  So, then, how could there be any personal responsibility if all that matters are me and my feelings, since I am then accountable to me and only me? Not to society. Not to God, a religion, parents, or teachers. To no one. That is what has happened in America. That is why there is moral chaos. Feelings are all that matter, not behavior. I cannot be judged, and I cannot judge you. That is the way we've raised a generation.

. . . As defined by one major dictionary, "tolerate" means "to allow without prohibiting or opposing; to permit." As now redefined, "tolerate" means "not only to permit, but to approve."

. . . It is virtually impossible to hold such a position today, however. Tolerance of homo*_*_*_*_*_*uals without full acceptance of homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality renders you a "homophobe," and discussion is thereby ended. If you state that male-female love should be society's ideal, you are deemed so morally inferior as to be unworthy of dialogue.

. . .  The onslaught against individual responsibility takes yet another form-opposition to competition. Personal responsibility means that just as you have the right to succeed because of your actions, you will be able to fail because of your actions. In America today, however, there is a movement to have no one fail.

. . .  That is why there is a war against excellence. Excellence means that I am graded-and being graded, like being judged, implies that I am responsible for what I do.

. . .   I was raised with middle-class values such as, "You better save. If you make money, put some of it away. There may be a rainy day." The modern attitude in America is that when there is a rainy day, others should, and will, supply umbrellas. In the meantime, therefore, borrow and spend as irresponsibly as you want.

. . .  This opposition to personal responsibility was recently manifested in the arguments for national health care. Its proponents argued that preexisting medical conditions should not be considered an issue in obtaining health insurance. But if that is the case, why ever buy insurance? I will purchase insurance only once I get sick. It is another form of relinquishing personal responsibility-"I do not have to plan while things are going all right for me." Now, of course, it is a problem when people have preexisting conditions from childhood; and there are other areas that need reform. But think philosophically for a moment: If a preexisting condition cannot be a factor in whether you get insurance, why get insurance until you get the condition?

. . .  James Baldwin, the black novelist, once said that sometimes, when he gets into an impish mood at a cocktail party and wants to find out quickly which whites are racist, he says some particularly stupid thing, and any white who tells him how brilliant it was, he knows is a racist.

. . .  That is why I consider liberal racism the most dangerous and pervasive form of racism in America today. Of course, there is right-wing racism. And it is evil. But it is obvious and relatively rare. Liberal racism, however, is more pernicious because it is far more ubiquitous.

. . .  Finally, you can have responsibility only if you have standards. I mentioned this earlier with regard to a code of ethics-if you're not responsible to a God or a religion or some code above you, you cannot be held responsible for your behavior.

. . . There is one other way in which we have obliterated standards, and therefore responsibility. We have substituted compassion for standards. Whenever there is a conflict in America between compassion and standards, compassion wins lest, again, we judge you.

. . .  Finally, you can have responsibility only if you have standards. I mentioned this earlier with regard to a code of ethics-if you're not responsible to a God or a religion or some code above you, you cannot be held responsible for your behavior.

. . .  To demand that people take personal responsibility for their behavior is extremely difficult. It doesn't come naturally to any of us. Perhaps the case for it can best be made by using other words to describe the assuming of personal responsibility. Those words are "growing up."

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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2009, 09:59:52 AM »
On that same logic, 10 reasons why gay marriage should be banned:


1.Being gay is not natural. Real Americans â„¢ always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

2.Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

3.Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

4.Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

5.Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

6.Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

7.Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

8.Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

9.Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10.Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2009, 10:19:30 AM »
Here's Prager's entire section on that subject.  Were all 10 of your reasons for being a Democrat really related only to the issue of homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality?  Is your icon gender neutral?  Is Hermie a nickname?

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Redefining Tolerance to Mean Approval

As defined by one major dictionary, "tolerate" means "to allow without prohibiting or opposing; to permit." As now redefined, "tolerate" means "not only to permit, but to approve."

Let me touch on what I believe to be the most difficult contemporary example-homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality. I believe that, except for incest, we must tolerate any consensual *_*_*_*_*_*ual behavior among adults. I also strongly believe that any dismissal of the humanity of a homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual person is immoral; a gay person is created in God's image, just as is any other human being, and is as likely to do good as any other human. But while I must tolerate homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality and honor the personhood of the homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual, I do not have to say, "I honor same-*_*_*_*_*_* love as the equal of male-female love."

It is virtually impossible to hold such a position today, however. Tolerance of homo*_*_*_*_*_*uals without full acceptance of homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality renders you a "homophobe," and discussion is thereby ended. If you state that male-female love should be society's ideal, you are deemed so morally inferior as to be unworthy of dialogue.

Now, there are indeed anti-gay bigots, and it pains me deeply that a human would judge another solely by his homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality. But we have a right to judge *_*_*_*_*_*ual behavior even while tolerating it and respecting the individual. And I do judge it because of the tradition I come from. My Jewish religion says that male *_*_*_*_*_*ual love should be confined to one female and to marriage and that there are varying degrees of wrongful deviation from that ideal, some of which are less significant, like consenting adult premarital *_*_*_*_*_*, and some of which are more significant, like adultery, incest, and, yes, homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality.

I am stuck with a code, if you will. Without that code, what would I care if people slept with the same *_*_*_*_*_*?

Whatever your position regarding homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality, however, the fact remains that the new meaning of tolerance-approval-is another attempt to do away with personal responsibility.

Compassion Rather than Standards

Finally, you can have responsibility only if you have standards. I mentioned this earlier with regard to a code of ethics-if you're not responsible to a God or a religion or some code above you, you cannot be held responsible for your behavior.

There is one other way in which we have obliterated standards, and therefore responsibility. We have substituted compassion for standards. Whenever there is a conflict in America between compassion and standards, compassion wins lest, again, we judge you. I was a guest on a national television show, and all the other guests were single women who chose to become mothers. I had a feeling of what the Christians felt like with the lions: I was on a national talk show where I was not allowed on the first segment of the hour show. The guests were three highly attractive, highly intelligent women with their lovely kids. The host was female, as was virtually the entire audience, which agreed with the women about how beautiful it was that they decided, not having found a man, to have a kid. And then I was introduced: "And now, someone who thinks they're wrong." For that alone, however, my appearance was worth it, the word "wrong" not having been uttered on television talk shows since Phil Donahue started his first show.

Then Darth Vader Prager entered the scene and was asked, "Do you really think these women are wrong?" I put every ounce of charm I have ever been endowed with into my answer and responded, "Yes, I do."

Yes, I think it is wrong because I think that children should have the fight at least to begin life with a mother and a father. If there's divorce, if there's abandonment, if there's death, what are you going to do? But to start out with mommy and test tube doesn't strike me as being as good as mommy and daddy.

My wife and I have single women friends who are torn about this. They are dying to get married, yet cannot find a man to marry, and they are dying to have a child before they can no longer conceive. Anybody who does not feel compassion toward these many women is not fully human. But to empathize with pain and feel compassionate is one thing, and to drop standards is another.

Gays, too, are in pain. Not to acknowledge that pain is not to be fully human. But to say then that because they are in pain society should have no preference for male-female love as the society's ideal is as wrong as to say that because the single mother is in pain we have no preference for children being born with a mother and father.

The government is on the brink of establishing new national adoption rules. According to these new rules, same-*_*_*_*_*_* couples will be allowed to adopt as readily as opposite-*_*_*_*_*_* couples. That is simply incredible. Even Denmark, which allows homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual marriage, forbids homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual adoption. We will be the only society on Earth to say that we have no preference for children to have a mother and father. To say that a mother is unnecessary, or that a father is unnecessary, is so obviously untrue that it needs to be explained by a larger agenda. That agenda is to prefer personal rights-I want a child-to social responsibility-a child should be given a mother and father.

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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2009, 12:53:49 PM »


Here's another question I don't understand:



Why did so many people vote for Bush.......twice? Other than the fact that the Democrats nominated idiots twice, it's beyond me.



But then, I'm a Libertarian.

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Re: why you'd vote Democrat
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 01:40:39 PM »
Apparently, nominating an idiot doesn't necessarily result in failure at the polls.  Look at Al Franken.