why you'd vote Democrat

[erskine]

Hermie - 3/8/2009  5:59 PM  On that same logic, 10 reasons why gay marriage should be banned:   1.Being gay is not natural. Real Americans ™ always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

 

Real Americans invented eyeglasses (well bifocals), polyester, and air conditioning.

2.Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

Hanging around with tall people will make you feel shorter. Hanging around with gay people will make you feel like being gay is normal. It is not normal. Less than 3 (three) percent of the population is gay. That is WAY outside of one sigma for the scientists among us.

3.Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

That is not what is next, this is: http://www.nambla.org/ I'll pass thanks.

4.Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

Where do you live Afghanistan? My ex was part black. My children are part black. Divorce is not illegal and I can vouch for that because she left me for another woman. Yeah.

5.Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

Right. Well if we are using Britany Spears as an example I guess we can use anyone as an example. Lets use Barney Frank, the unmarried boy hopping representative from MassASSachutes who led the mortgage industry into the mess we are now dealing with?

6.Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.

How can you equate infertile couples or the elderly with homos3xuals? I am old. I have no desire to be lumped in with faggots and lesbians. The world needs what it needs. Did you ask the elderly or the infertile if they wanted to be part of your political agenda? If you had, how many old men like myself do you think would have told you to f--k o-f?

7.Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

Well, we both know that gay parents don't have children unless they adopt them or coopt them from a previous marriage. We also both know that straight parents can raise gay children (but don't try to tell me it is genetic because that is scientifically false, and provably so) and we know that gay children raise straight kids. I have known one personally. So it has nothing at all to do with raising children.

8.Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.

You believe that? You actually believe that? No wonder you are confused enough to be gay.

9.Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

How can you equate single parenting with a homos3xual home environment? Oh, wait, you are a product of the public education system, I forgot. They did not teach you critical reasoning... so sorry my bad.

   

10.Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.  

Finally got one. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. It will do that in the same way that divorce has done it. Divorce has been very bad for the foundation of society in this country. Gay marriage would do the exact same damage.

Look, I don't give a damn what you and your boy friend do in your bedroom but it has absolutely nothing to do with marriage and I don't need you to try to shove it in my face here or anywhere else. I don't want to see you wankers walking down the street holding hands and I don't think that I should have to until I see you wankers defending the very same Constitution that says you have that right when it comes to all the other rights you would trample in the process.

What you and your boyfriend do in your bedroom has a hell of a lot more to do with petroleum jelly than it has to do with a family or raising children. It is your delusion, your perversion and your problem. Did you know that statistically homos3xual men die seven years earlier than the average smoker? That is about fourteen years earlier than the average non-smoking male in the USA?

Why can't faggots understand that when the people of a state choose to amend their constitution to prohibit gay marriage in that state, the PEOPLE OF THAT STATE HAVE SPOKEN? Oh, wait, let me guess, because they just don't want to deal with the truth and reality.

... and that sums up homos3xuality in one go, they just don't want to deal with truth and reality ...

[erskine]

Hermie - 3/8/2009  1:23 AM  I vote Democrat because Republicans are hypocrites.

Moderator is right, you are a troll. You have a "designer icon"? WTF is with that, dude? How much did you pay for that "foxey" picture? ROFLMAO... Where can I get one? LOL

You vote "Demobrat" because Republicans are hypocrites? ROFLMAO again. You do know who Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are, right? You have watched the antics of Nancy Pelosi, right? You do remember that someone once said, "I did not have s3xual relations with that woman." Right?

Hypocracy is universal, my confused bis3xual friend. It is universal.

Either you are ignorant, or you are exactly what the moderator said. Which is it?

[3n00n]

Obama extends hands to Chavez & Ortega

By MARK S. SMITH, AP

PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad – President Barack Obama offered a spirit of cooperation to America's hemispheric neighbors at a summit Saturday, listening to their complaints about past U.S. interference in the region and even reaching out to Venezuela's fiery leftist leader.

While he worked to ease friction between the U.S. and leaders at the Summit of the Americas, Obama cautioned them to resist a temptation to blame all their problems on their behemoth neighbor to the North.

"I have a lot to learn and I very much look forward to listening and figuring out how we can work together more effectively," Obama said.

Obama said he was ready to accept Cuban President Raul Castro's proposal of talks on issues once off-limits for Cuba, including the scores of political prisoners held by the communist government. While praising America's initial effort to thaw relations with Havana, the leaders pushed the U.S. to go further and lift the 47-year-old U.S. trade embargo against the communist nation.

To Latin American nations reeling from a sudden plunge in exports, Obama promised a new hemispheric growth fund, an initiative to increase Caribbean security and a new regional partnership to develop alternative energy sources and fight global warming.

As the first full day of meetings began on the two-island nation of Trinidad and Tobago, Obama exchanged handshakes and pats on the back with Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who once likened President George W. Bush to the devil. In front of photographers, Chavez gave Obama a copy of "The Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent," a book by Eduardo Galeano, which chronicles U.S. and European economic and political interference in the region.

When a reporter asked Obama what he thought of the book, the president replied: "I thought it was one of Chavez' books. I was going to give him one of mine." White House advisers said they didn't know if Obama would read it or not.

Later, during a group photo, Obama reached behind several leaders at the summit to shake Chavez' hand for the third time. Obama summoned a translator and the two smiled and spoke briefly.

Those two exchanges followed a brief grip and grin for cameras on Friday night when Obama greeted Chavez in Spanish.

"I think it was a good moment," Chavez said about their initial encounter. "I think President Obama is an intelligent man, compared to the previous U.S. president."

The White House said Chavez was civil in his criticism of the U.S. during a summit meeting, but that there was no discussion of reinstating ambassadors who were kicked out of each other's countries last year. "Relationships depend on more than smiles and handshakes," Obama economic adviser Larry Summers told reporters later.

Bolivia President Evo Morales, a close ally of Chavez, said Obama's pledge of a new era of mutual respect toward Latin America rings hollow.

"Obama said three things: There are neither senior or junior partners. He said relations should be of mutual respect, and he spoke of change," Morales said. "In Bolivia ... one doesn't feel any change. The policy of conspiracy continues."

Morales expelled U.S. ambassador Philip Goldberg in September and kicked out the Drug Enforcement Administration the next month for allegedly conspiring with the political opposition to incite violence. Chavez expelled the U.S. ambassador in Venezuela in solidarity. The Bush administration subsequently suspended trade preferences to Bolivia that local business leaders say could cost 20,000 jobs.

In an opening speech to the 34-nation gathering on Friday, the president promised a new agenda for the Americas, as well as a new style.

"We have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms," Obama said to loud applause. "But I pledge to you that we seek an equal partnership. There is no senior partner and junior partner in our relations."

He also extended a hand to a leader Ronald Reagan spent years trying to drive from power: Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega. The Sandinista president stepped up and introduced himself, U.S. officials reported. Yet soon after, Ortega, who was ousted in 1990 elections that ended Nicaragua's civil war but who was returned to power by voters in 2006, delivered a blistering 50-minute speech that denounced capitalism and U.S. imperialism as the root of much hemispheric mischief. The address even recalled the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, though Ortega said the new U.S. president could not be held to account for that.

"I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old," Obama said, to laughter and applause from the other leaders.

But perhaps the biggest applause line was his call for a fresh start in relations between Washington and Havana.

Earlier this week, Obama ordered an easing of travel and remittance restrictions for Americans with relatives in Cuba. Within hours, Castro — who took over from his ailing brother Fidel a year ago — responded with an offer of talks on "everything" that divides the two countries.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090418/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cb_obama_summit

[North Pack]

I think it was in the late 80's to mid 90's era that an MIT scientist invented (hallucinated) a computer program that would "predict" how the climate was going to change. It got a some decent press at the time. Naturally, western civilization was about to do us in.   Last I heard about it, - NOTHING it predicted has happened. Surprisingly - the press hasn't covered that part. Perhaps they don't know.

[Dutchspringer]

Holy cow, what a topic.  Just spent 35 minutes reading top to bottom.  Started with "why you'd vote democrat, and ended with homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality.  Too important to let go with just a "holy cow, what a topic", so here is my thread on these things.  Before beginning on my view, as I view everything (though imperfectly to be sure) through the eyes of scripture that The Lord gave us, I want to throw out a saying that has been about as close to perfect as any man-made saying can be.   "There are no athiests in a fox-hole".  I have spent many, many hours considering that statement, and it's logical inferences.  People who are against the death penalty can have every reason that their minds can come up with, until someone in their circle of loved ones is killed in some fashion or form, and then the outlook changes.  Premarital *_*_*_*_*_* is so absolutely previlant these past 30 to 40 years, but when one is not the "taker", but rather the father of a daughter of dating age, who among you relishes the thought of sending his little angel of a daughter out with a boy with these intents on his mind, especially one who was raised with the "sow your oats while you can" belief?  Not me, not ever.  I'ts peace peace peace on the liberal side.  What do you say if it is your husband or wife that was killed in the twin towers?  I will tell you that the definition of "peace" will all of a sudden take on the facet of "justice", which means killing the dogs that did this to your loved one(s).  People so often misunderstand that you musn't be a gifted sniper who would (Lord willing) pull the trigger on Osama Ben Laden, to agree that he needs to die.  One musn't have to hate a homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual person to agree and know that it is a sin and is ruining the life of that very person.  Has anyone out there spent any amount of time with a homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual (at the workplace, school, neighbor etc.)?  In twelve years of business working in peoples homes ten hours a day I had many Homo*_*_*_*_*_*ual customers.  Though there were glimpses of "happiness" or "light" moments, I never saw PEACE, ever.  A person can only fool themselves for so long before there is no-one left to try to fool.  If you happen to know a doctor, or have the timerity or time to study it, both the lesbian as well as gay lifestyles are so very unhealthy and are constantly flirting with death around each corner, and no amount of words spoken by the likes of the Barney Frank's of this world will change this.  This leads me to the whole worthless topic of "global warming".  No amount of endless articles and books/speaking engagements by "the Algore" are going to make it any more real, or more importantly, make changes which will allow man to "alter" the path of supposed "global warming's" destruction.
     Scripturally speaking, this universe, which obviously includes this planet, is inexorably bound to the law of Entropy.  This happened from the moment that Adam and Eve sinned, and God proclaimed the curses on mankind that would be reaped by those who live under sin (which is all of us- remember Christ said "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God").  Whether athiest or Christian, agnostic or buddist, we are all under entropy- "the breaking down of the state of things".  Mountains are not getting higher, they are slowly breaking apart and gravity pulls them down.  Like physical properties, mankinds ethics, morals, and values are, and will continue, to break down as well.  We see it everywhere we dare to look.  Divorce rates, suicide rates, personal and corporate theft, crime of any kind, man's inhumanity to man is at stunning rates, etc.But these things, like mountains, do not "come back" to rebuild themselves, they simply degrade to the point that all that is left is to simply "re-name" the person or the act that they are comitting and it all becomes acceptable.  Today's scientists on one hand say that we are "evolving" at a greater rate than ever, yet we still have NO true understanding in SCIENCE of HOW WE GOT HERE, WHO WE ARE, AND WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHILE WE ARE HERE.  I would submit that as with any other question, the truth can only be found in the place that truth resides- The Bible.  It is true that without something to "stand" on, you will truly "fall" for anything.  ALL is subjective unless you have an immoveable anchor with which to begin, a starting and ending place that always remains there to refer to.  Climate change, homo*_*_*_*_*_*uality, abortion, illegal immigration, death penalty, etc. cannot be discussed in any meaningful way when one sees everything as subjective.  I am boring myself at this point, and so probably boring you as well.  If anyone wants to challenge these assertations or ask for a specific, I have thick skin and am not easily offended so shoot away.  Thanks guys, Ross