Barack Obama's 10 Point Plan To "CHANGE" The Second Amendment

[3n00n]

The 2nd amendment has already been 'infringed', and so has the Constitution been subverted to 'profit' the controllers elite!

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http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/nfa.htm

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http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/gca.htm

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http://www.class3weapons.com/class_3_faq_class_3_weapons.html

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http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Zimring68.htm

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147&hl=en

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http://www.apfn.org/apfn/okc_coverup.htm

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898216904060714451

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=kRCuSNXvAoyqiwLzk_W4BA&q=freedom+to+fascism&hl=en

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Obviously, you seem to think the executions on Ruby Ridge and the mass executions in Waco, Texas{21 children age 15 & younger} can't happen anywhere else.

I {we}happen to think the founding fathers already foresaw this eventuality.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p

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http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/federalist/

[Hermie]

Just to make things clear, I'd be a part of the revolution if the 2nd Amendment was removed. I'm just not an extremist about it.

[3n00n]

Nothing extreme about that, huh?

[spanky]

So your giving up before it even starts?and it started years ago. I take it you have no children's futures at stake then .We have way too many gun laws now ,and they do nothing..... ask the 10 in Alabama the 15 in Germany or the millions killed at the hands of lawless who don't give a rats rear end about the law .So more laws are not the answer gun control is not the answer. Arm the law abiding citizen and nature will take care of its self .If only one person at ether of throes crime scene had a gun the death toll would be much less. All the gun law on the planet could have stopped any of thies deaths .Only an other person with a gun could

[spanky]

This is how that keep chiseling away at our rights. If they cant take our guns out the front door they will try the back door. yep we  are just an another inch closer from loosing our guns                                                                                                        http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15389&mid=124776#M124776

[shearload]

Let me throw another log on this fire.  This story didn't make news outside our small state, what with the other shootings today.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibs8q-unzJ9zEcDamcV89It4b1mAD96RDP902

Just one added detail that isn't mentioned in the story; the grenades were buried about half a mile from the only nuclear power plant in our state.

So are the laws they're using to hold this guy on an infringement of his 2nd Amendment rights or not?  What are "arms" exactly?  Is some infringement OK, if the arms involved are more militarily useful than, say, a typical sidearm or hunting rifle?

If I needed to overthrow a tyrant, I'd be looking for some A10 Warthogs, and maybe some mobile rocket launchers.  Kinda like the stuff our National Guard has.  I doubt a tyrant would be worried by a bunch of revolutionaries with small arms only; a couple of helicopter gunships could put down the rebellion in short order.  

We have better tools for preventing tyranny, and had best keep those tools sharp and ready.

Best regards,

Shearload

[3n00n]

Most of us couldn't, butis anA-10 even viable?

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We the sheeple stillfund those F-15s and Apaches that will be used against all of the militant 'terrorist' bbgun shooters . . .

[shearload]

Apparently, well-regulated militias can.  As far as I know, all A10s in service now are operated by ANG units.

I can't imagine a revolt in the US that would require military intervention.  The small arms that we raise so much fuss about owning wouldn't be much of a match for anything other than a small-town police force.  Either we gave up the individual right to own serious weapons so many years ago that no one remembers, or we never claimed the right.

Best regards,

Shearload

[3n00n]

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15223&mid=124822#M124822

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The 1913 Federal Reserve Act was the 'turning point' from which all sheeple control originates. The 1934 NFA, 1938 FFA, 1968, 1986, etc~GCA, are all I.R.S. agency controlled laws, with the B.A.T.F. being the Draconian storm troopers enforcing these infringments!

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http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Zimring68.htm

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In 1967 the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms division of the Internal Revenue Service reported an investment of 35 man-years in enforcing both the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Federal Firearms Act of 1938. During the period 1966-1968, a total of 275 arrests were reported under the Federal Firearms Act, and it has been asserted that no dealers were charged with violating the Act until 1968.

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All this tells me, is that the IRS and Federal Reserve gotta go!

[Hermie]

Back then the 2nd Amendment was drafted, the guns of the day were muzzle-loading muskets. I wonder what the forefathers would say about today's tech.

[3n00n]

. . . now the tyrant government may execute more children faster with better weaponry, while the impotent civilian populace cowers before the almighty Obamanation!

[Big_Bill]

Michael,

You have no interest in what our Fore Fathers would have to say ! You just enjoy distorting history, and injecting your humor into every situation that you can.

When the British were coming for the arms, they were coming for the cannons, not the rifles ! They Feared the Cannons !

And when the Fore Fathers wanted the People to be able to reclaim the country from Domestic or ForeignEnemies, they wanted the People to have everything that the Domestic or ForeignEnemy had in their arsenal and better, totake back our country,The United States of America.

Now, What do you believe our Fore Fathers would want us to have, in relationship to the Second Amendment and the Constitution or the United States of America ??

Bill

[Hermie]

I have no idea what the forefathers would say about today. This is an entirely different culture we live in.

I support the right to bear arms, but I believe that they need to be controlled, as they are dangerous and get into the wrong hands, eg. criminals. Keep guns in honest hands, I say, but do we really need supermachine guns or RPGs in our homes? Even though they would be fun as hell..

[Gene_SC]

What about collectors Hermie. Should the right to collect submachine guns and other weapons be taken away from them?

http://www.thisisjustcool.com/cool-pictures/charleton-hestons-basement-gun-room/

[Hermie]

Licensed collectors should be allowed to have them, as long as they're licensed and know what they're doing. Having something like that in the hands of someone who doens't know jack would REALLY be dangerous. They aren't toys, and some people don't realize that.

Also, there could never be a law to "take away guns." That would be an ex post facto law, banned by the Constitution. Laws would only cover sales AFTER the law is put into effect.