Barack Obama's 10 Point Plan To "CHANGE" The Second Amendment

[Gene_SC]

1. Ban use of firearms for home self-defense.
2. Pass federal laws eliminating your right-to-carry.
3. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
4. Close down 90 percent of the gun shops in America.
5. Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.
6. Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent.
7. Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.
8. Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.
9. Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.
10. Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and federal judiciary who share his views on the second amendment.

He has begin to set this in motion with his selection of amnesty and drivers licenses for illegal’s, abortion loving, gun-banning, uber-liberal, ultra-left-wing nut job Senator Joe Biden.

[moe1942]

I couldn't agree more. I would add more but I think you pretty well covered things.

[moe1942]

The modern equivalent would be the guard before we started using them like active duty. The militia was unorganized and didn't do regular drill.. Anyone between 18 and I believe 60 was in the militia.

Right after your quote the 2nd amendment states  "the right of the people" so that means everyone is/was given the God given right to keep and bear arms. In current times the constitution has been dismantled and the will of the people has been diluted and broken. All by design. For those who choose to remain free and unchained the tree of liberty may have to be watered again.

The majority of the people in this country don't know that the bill of rights outlined God given unalienable rights. Rights bestowed by government can be taken, God given rights can't. Not without force.

[snatch]

Gene, I believe that this is his agenda. I've heard all of these points before. How did you compile this list? Was this published somewhere or did you put this together from recent quotes and actions?

[TCups]

Yes, some joined the National Guard, if they could.  It was, after all, a perfectly legal and honorable way to serve one's country and avoid being drafted and sent to serve in active combat.  Unlike, for example, burning a draft card and fleeing to Canada, or filing a change of address ever time you were sent a draft notice and refusing to report for induction, or filed as conscientious objectors or got a doctor to falsify some medical record and make you 4-F, or bombing the Pentagon.  And, yes, during the most active parts of the Vietnam War and the "draft", it took some pull to get an appointment to the National Guard, usually at the state level as I recall. It got so bad that eventually all deferments were cancelled, there was no National Guard option and a draft lottery was begun in 1970, and 1971 (the year of my lotto).  

I believe I get your "dig" at George W. Bush.  But let's not go there.  Instead, why not just say "Thank you" to Richard Nixon for ending the military draft and eventually ending the war that Eisenhower, Kennedy, and especially Lyndon B. Johnson gave us?  And also why not give a heart felt "Thank you!" to all who served in every branch of the military to defend our freedoms.  Thank You!!!

PS:  What does "Congress shall make no law" mean?  At the time the 2nd Amendment was written, there was no distinction between the public's "arms" and the military's "arms".  The law was written to protect citizens from the government.  Too bad that playing field hasn't been kept level.  Guess Prohibition and gangsters with automatic weapons sealed that door some years back.  And in any case, who would now be safe from a strong armed and willing government, no matter how well-armed we might be?  Not at Ruby Ridge.  Not at Waco.  Not anywhere.

[TCups]

I will research this more and give you a more complete answer later, if you wish, but as I understand it, the "Rights" delegated to the states and their militias were quite different in those days before the "Federal Government" usurped nearly unlimited powers, under the guise of regulation of interstate commerce as I recall.  

The general intent of the well regulated state militias, I believe, was to allow, no, to guarantee that individual citizens of any state had the ability to organize and defend themselves, their own weapons in hand, from all threats, foreign and domestic, including their own federal government.  The fear was that otherwise we would be vulnerable to a totalitarian government intent to usurp it's citizens freedoms and constitutional rights by force.

And what you you opine?  That only the government should have that right of collective protection under the "well-regulated militia" penumbra?  If so, then at least for now, you side with the minority opinion of the Supreme Court.  Obama can't push that agenda until he appoints another couple of liberal Supreme Court Justices willing to "kill" our 2nd Amendment rights in the name of a "living" constitution.


Or was it just a rhetorical question, trolling to see what law-abiding citizens who support the 2nd Amendment would say, because you really don't give a damn and just want to tweak the conservatives?

[TCups]

Ad hominem attack.
Thank who ever your heart and mind tells you is acting to defend your rights and freedoms, many with their lives.  And may God forbid that you should ever have to live in a country where freedom is lost.  I know in my heart who speaks for constitutional rights and freedoms, and who and defends mine.  Thank you again, all who serve and protect our country.  May God bless you and keep you safe.

[TCups]

PS: Gary, the diversity of your thought comes through quite clearly.  No real need to point it out us, but thanks.

[TCups]

I suspect that in your case, "well regulated" may imply the need for a laxative and stool softener.  But since you are a diverse thinker and keep asking the probing, rhetorical questions, why not take the lead, Gary, and just go ahead and tell us what "well-regulated" really means and who you feel, according to your research and extensive readings should indeed have the right to bear arms?

[TCups]

Then, Gerry(excuse the lapse), perhaps you need to concentrate not only on diversity, but also more carefully on content when you read.

TaTa, Sir.  Being a money-grubbing capitalist, I must be away and back to work, cheating the poor and sucking the last few health care dollars out of the system before there are none left. But perhaps we will "chat" later.

Have a nice day.

[Hermie]

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This is what annoys me the most about this place. THE PARANOIA.


EFFING RELAX. OBAMA ISN"T GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY. IF HE EVEN TRIED, THERE WOULD BE A REVOLUTION.


Now I'm second-guessing sending my Big Cat in for a Turbo Tune...

[TCups]

Good thinking Hermie! Excellent advice!  Relax, sit back and enjoy the show.  Nothing to fear but fear itself!
Happy days are here again, they skies are turning clear again, so lets have another cup of coffee, let's have another piece of pie!
We are blessed to have such level-headed thinkers among us.  Have a nice evening.

[Gene_SC]

Well you know what they say Hermie? If it gets to hot fer ya in the kitchen then get out..:)

[Hermie]

What keeps me here is it is an excellent resource for airgun information. That outweighs the annoyances. Besides, I make it a point to help people become more open-minded and see things from all angles. I have seen the right-wing's viewpoint, and can't understand why they're so paranoid.

But seriously, I have a question. Why are you all so paranoid about the governent taking away the 2nd Amendment? What is your reason for this extremism? If you could explain this I would greatly appreciate it.

[spanky]

Because with out the second amendment we are nothing but future slaves at the hands of our government. Remember they are claming to protect us .The right to bare arms is to protect us from our government .No disrespect to you hermie. but with out the peoples rights given buy the constitution. we are nothing more then slave workers to our government.Can you spell TAXES I bet your grand kids can .And there children as well. not trying to Chang your mind about this decision.I hope you are the first one in line to hand your guns over. The future of the UNITED STATES lies in our hands not the governments hand, they work for us. We sign there pay check. How much are you willing to give too them .Because they will take it all if we let them. Its as simple as that .Remember the strong always take from the weak to remain strong.Thats the nature of the beast.