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Re: Obama to reverse embryonic stem cell ban
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2009, 01:38:51 PM »
Amoral. Wrong. Unnecessary.

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Re: Obama to reverse embryonic stem cell ban
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2009, 05:58:03 AM »


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TCups - 3/8/2009 7:30 PM Believe me on this. National public medical care, socialized medicine, will be like public education and public housing -- it will be mismanaged, it will give politicians the power to make not only financial decisions, but also life and death health care decisions for you and your loved ones. And it will ultimately be the health care of last resort for those who can't afford something else. In other words, you should become familiar with Medicaid and the VA Hospital systems to get a preview. Your next generation of doctors will all be salaried and have foreign-sounding names. You won't have to pay for it and you will pretty much get what you pay for, or even less, if you are in a top tax bracket. And the "Rich" will still be able to pay for and get something much better privately. The Romans might have created a desert and called it peace, but the Democrats have created a fuster cluck, and call it health care reform. The health care "industry" is about 1/7th of the American domestic economy. So let's turn it over to Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, and Chris Reid and the like . . . then bend over and wait for your personal introduction to socialized medicine. But this is a pointless post. Socialized medicine is a done deal. It was included in the stimulus package legislation (those thousand pages voted on before any lawmaker could have possibly read what they were voting for) and will be Teddy ("the Gurgling Cod/Mary Jo Kopechne) Kenedy's political memorial. Have a nice day.



Well said, and very accurate, unfortunately.

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Re: Obama to reverse embryonic stem cell ban
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2009, 12:49:09 PM »
Watch Sicko. It has tapes of Nixon talking with another man about Kaiser Permanante, talking about the health insurance companies and how they're more buisnesslike than medical. From there, he made his policies.

And your referrence to them being criminals? What laws have they broken? By the way, our last president was indeed a criminal, voilating the Geneva Convention by torturing, illegally wire-tapping groups like Greenpeace, and countless other abuses of powers. The way I see it, conservatives have been criminals. Don't like my opinion? That's fine, but remember, I'm giving just the same opinion as you, just the opposite. Look into the mirror before you make judgements, because 9 times out of 10, you're just as bad.


By the way- There's countless embryonic stem cells destroyed EVERY DAY, and not by researchers. Here's a way to put them to use instead of wasting them.
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Re: Obama to reverse embryonic stem cell ban
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2009, 04:15:03 PM »


There you go again Michael, Quoting a document that you have very obviously never read, under the Geneva Convention, those illegal combatants can be shot on sight or dealt with at the desire of the commanding officer, in country.



And if you have evidence of illegal wire tapping, or any other violation of the law, you must bring it to the attention of the authorities immediately, or you may be held as an accomplice in this crime for withholding evidence !



Oh, and if you like Presidents with a criminal past,look intoWilliam Jefferson Clinton's (42)Felony convection for draft evasion. Pardoned by Richard Milhous Nixxon (37)



And Michael, I wouldn't be caught dead looking into your mirror :-(



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Re: Obama to reverse embryonic stem cell ban
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2009, 01:34:06 AM »


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Hermie - 3/11/2009 7:49 PM Watch Sicko. It has tapes of Nixon talking with another man about Kaiser Permanante, talking about the health insurance companies and how they're more buisnesslike than medical. From there, he made his policies. And your referrence to them being criminals? What laws have they broken? By the way, our last president was indeed a criminal, voilating the Geneva Convention by torturing, illegally wire-tapping groups like Greenpeace, and countless other abuses of powers. The way I see it, conservatives have been criminals. Don't like my opinion? That's fine, but remember, I'm giving just the same opinion as you, just the opposite. Look into the mirror before you make judgements, because 9 times out of 10, you're just as bad. By the way- There's countless embryonic stem cells destroyed EVERY DAY, and not by researchers. Here's a way to put them to use instead of wasting them.



Agreed.

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Re: Obama to reverse embryonic stem cell ban
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2009, 05:16:24 AM »
Fellas, it's on my heart, in my mind all of the time, and I cannot escape it nor would I want to:  The Lord's return is eminent.  The six thousand years appointed unto mankind is over, and the Lord awaits word from His Father to return to remove the Body of Christ (what the world calls the Christians- somewhat misappropriately as the "Christians" referred to in the gospels of Matt. Mark Luke and John are New Covenant Prostylites) in what is known as the rapture before returning to His bride Israel.  I know many of you will be raising an eyebrow, as the Catholic church, and nearly every evangelical church from Baptists to Nazarenes, and Evangelical Free to Community churches etc. are founded on the belief that they (we) are the Bride of Christ.  I'm here to bring doctrine rather than to make friends, though both would be wonderful.  The point being, this is all only the beginning of what is to come.  NOTHING has come from embryonic stem-cell research, no matter what Michael J Fox would hope for, which is by the way totally understandable from his perspective.  Problem is, it is HIS perspective.  Jesus said that we are NOT to lean on our own understanding, as countless examples from evolution to stem cell research would show us, that it ends up disasterously.  I fear that this country is in for a time in which it will never recover, and rather than getting into it in this thread, I would sit wishfully wanting that well meaning people such as Hermie and his ilk would accept Christ as their savior and be taken up rather to see in person the horrors which await over the near horizon.  In my short 41 years I have seen our country sell it's soul for votes, and now both parties are nearly indistinguishable when it comes to our soverign borders, the precious lives of our unborn, the bastardization of the truth of how our nation was founded as it is tought in our public schools,  and the open heartedt acceptance of those who would seek office who stand for no-one but themselves.  I wonder what the beloved Jewish community who voted our current president into office on his promise of "loving Israel" are now thinking, after Obama just sent Hillary to Gaza with a check in hand for 900 million dollars for HAMAS to rebuild the very neighborhoods in which they were just months ago launching rockets into Israel, and will be doing so from the very same rooftops once rebuilt.  I wonder what the MANY Christians (many of whom I sadly know) who voted for him are now thinking with the knowledge that his first act in office was to appropriate $20 million dollars to planned parenthood (man what an oxymoron).  It should be called "Planned gratuitous *_*_*_*_*_* without consequence through abortion".  I was a Federal agent during the middle Clinton years, and there was nothing different about that whole situation, accept that his promiscuity kept him from doing anywhere near the harm in his eight years that Obama has already done in his short time in office.  Hermie and others, you will wake up one day and your world will be turned upside down when you hear words that will make 911 seem a childish playday from a far distant memory.  Right now you fill your time with pointless arguements to make beliefs and decisions seem justified.  "How could we stop abortion, especially when the fetal material is doing so much good?  After all it's a woman's right to control her own body right?".  These ludicrous and yes, sinful dilusional fallacies will pale to dust when you hear, in whatever way- TV, radio, word of mouth, etc. that perhaps 25 million people in the United States have simply vanished.  They are gone, never to be found, seen, or heard from again.  Unless, that is, you choose in that aweful time to accept that which you've previously written off as foolish beliefs held by weak minded people.  What will you do?  You will frantically call relatives, perhaps run through the street seeking out the ones who you had heard in the past were "religeous" neighbors.  Your heart will sink to your feet, and a feeling you couldn't have possibly imagined even an hour before will now run your life for the next seven years, if you live that long.  The only comfort you will have, if the news even gets to you, is that as bad as it will get here, it will be exponentially worse in Israel.  The tie-in to the original question posed regarding Obama's decision to reverse prior stem cell bans, one of many horrible decisions to come, is this: don't get lost in the small tree of inevidable and sad decisions while losing sight of the forest that is upon us in the days we are living in.  I have many people I speak with ask an honest question, and the answer is "no, Obama is not the anti-christ", for many reasons, he cannot be.  To be sure however, the Lord has placed him here to fulfill a role in a nation that has all but left Him, to our own demise.
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