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Offline TCups

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RE: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2009, 01:54:04 PM »
Who Jesus Christ was and what he believed can only be found in your own true heart and mind, sir.  Not in any blog. But if you seek Him, I suspect you will find Him and have your questions answered.  Otherwise, you are just blogging for the hell of it, right?


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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2009, 02:07:16 PM »
The reason why is basically in this thread you have started!!! I understand that we are all entitled to are beliefs & faith,I just can't understand why you asked about Jesus Christ being a socialist & you don't even believe in what he represents!!!!! That alone is reason why I thank God I don't live in your community,,,To say it better,if I lived in any community that you represented,I would probably be better off with a buulet in my head!!!!!!  I am not trying to be offensive,I just can't believe that you have started this thread & you yourself have no idea what you are looking to accomplish!!!!!!   I hope you get what your looking for!!!!!!   GOOD LUCK!!!!!!  JESUS LOVES YOU ANYWAY!!!!!!!
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2009, 02:47:12 PM »
And why do I care!!!!! I must of missed your puchline!!!!!  BTW,,I never said I was dignified or productive!!!!! All I said was that you have no idea what you want from this thread,you mentioned it earlier when you responded to MR.TCUPS,your having a good time!!!!! That my friend is pathetic!!!!! You gotta be a Red Sox Fan!!!!!
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2009, 02:50:13 PM »
Gerry,,Have a blessed night!!!!  This is JOE CUZ signing out!!!   Over!!!!
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2009, 11:27:18 PM »
Wow, this is a good topic to vent out and share the emptiness in your soul and have not found Jesus Christ. To me it's the same Jesus that confused individuals put labels on him. I would rather be be him that brings hope and goodness to be in his kingdom than to Others that killing oneself & others, create confusion and share their emptiness and discontentment to the kingdom that they were misguided. Whenever I pray, I include those that are lost and don't know how to pray. It's always a good feeling going this. BTW, this is a productive topic for those that want to go around a circle chasing their tails..kind of attention they have dearly been longing. Jesus love YOU.

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RE: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2009, 03:43:52 AM »
Hey Grackl and anyone who cares to read,
     I want to take a second before heading out to face another day here in Denver to say just a few things.  Having read the entire set of threads regarding this topic, I must reply to the topic, not because I am anything special or are more knowledgeable etc. but because I've run into this all many times before.  There is a reason that movies like the divinci code and it's sequal are coming out and are so popular, even though this old story has been around for two thousand years.  There is a reason that this climate is changing no matter what we try or don't try to do to change it.  There is a reason that a father of four children and a wife is looking at a world in which he sometimes thinks "what in the world was I thinking, bringing these precious little ones into this mess?".   There is a reason that there are UFO sightings around this globe every six to eight seconds, the greatest in history-despite the fact that they have been occuring verifyably for over four thousand years, and the leading spots in the world are centered in the middle east, specifically in Turkey.  They now have a museum dedicated to this phenomenon there.  Did you know that bigfoot/sasqwatch sightings are at an all-time high?  Do you know where "they" are showing up now?  HAWAII AND THE PHILLIPINES.  That makes about as much sense as  what's happening around  the rest the world- an 8 to 11 foot, approximately 450 to 600 lb. creature that has not been noted to have been in either of these places before, showing up now.  They must have come there to enjoy the beaches and the climate.  The sarcasm is purposeful.  There are few left who doubt the existance of UFO's anymore, unless they have been under a mushroom and refused to look outside it.  Grackle and others of like mind, there is no more truth or answers to be found in politics and the ACLU, than there is to be found in studying  why a "being in a craft" would come 4.7 light years ( distance to our nearest solar system-Alphacentauri) and not fulfill any task or make contact other than to create upheaval and wonder and then zip out of sight -breaking laws of physics and motion.  The universities in the United States, as well as around the globe are clinging desperately to their theories of Darwinian Evolution, despite the fact that every day another  piece of this faulty theory is shredded  in light of the information that the Hubble telescope  and archeology is bringing us.  I have always wondered what humanists and evolutionists do with their thoughts when they are alone with no-one and nothing to distract them.  How do they run from the fact that they KNOW that they will never be able to reconcile the laws of physics and motion with Darwin's theories, or any other theory for that matter, which involves a big-bang.  The very facts of motion and time that they are "teaching" in the day at the university, deny and belie the "something came from nothing" theories that they take home with them at night.  Grackle, I will tell you that scripture tells us that man seeks where he came from, and yurns to know his Creator from the moment he/she is born.  Christ said "I am the way, the truth, and the life, NONE shall come to the Father but by ME".  This is maddening to someone who is trying  desperately to "do it on my own".  It will never work to do it on our own.  It is all frivolity unless done to the Lord's glory.  The comment you made regarding Israel was in error, at least regarding me and my family.  I love Israel for several reasons.  First of all, we are told that to bless Israel is to be blessed ourselves.  Christ was a Jew, and promised that though it was foretold that she would not accept him as her husbandman, He would NEVER leave her, but would rather return to her when she would one day finally turn away from other gods and desires and turn to Him .   Unfortunately, this must come after the days referred to as "the times of Jacobs troubles".  I believe, as I've mentioned, that these times are nearly upon us.  You mention that you do not believe in the diety of Christ, the Bible, etc.  Jesus said that "none are so blind as those who will not see".  He also said "Better you be hot or cold, for you who are lukewarm- I spew you out of my mouth".  If you don't accept Him for who He is, the son of God, then don't worry about complimenting Him with statements about being a "good man".  I don't even know you but I love you, so think about how much the on e who created you loves you!  The Lord knew that you would be reading this thread, and maybe others out there, and so I will finish with this.  The reason for all of the "reasons" statements made in the beginning of this thread is that Lucifer knows his time here to take affect upon Israel is coming to a close.  We are at the end of the six thousand years appointed unto man, and he also knows-as he reads and knows scripture, that Israel will fulfill prophecy by accepting this man who will carry many names- such as "the son pf purdition " etc., but perhaps most noteably "the Assyrian".  Grackle, a time may come very soon where your world will change down to your very core, and the worst upheaval you can imagine economically, climatically, and emotionally, and physically will occur.  You say you don't believe in a rapture, but you see, if I'm wrong I lose nothing, but if you're wrong you could lose everything.  I pray with all my heart that you may look back on this thread and realize not that "Dutchspringer" was right, but that the Bible was right.  It will NOT  be too late!  You can accept Christ as your savior at any moment you choose, but that's the key- YOU must choose because no-one can choose for you just as I cannot choose for my neighbors or my family.  They must accept Christ's death on the cross and His resurrection as FULL payment for their sins, and move on to tell others so that they may hear of this decision that every man and woman must make.  I won't apologize for being windy or a bit off track this time, because the topic is too important.  As a five year law enforcement officer, a 21/2 year federal agent, and now a "past" owner of a business for 12 years that the Lord has apparently chosen to end,  I am now off to sign paperwork for a part-time job that may or may not even make up the gas money that it will take to make the deliveries.  This is what the Lord has put in front of me right now, and He will give me the strength to do this as well.  Keep up the good fight out there brothers, and for those who are not yet my brother in Christ, I would beg you to become one if it would make a difference- but we all know it wouldn't.  Us humans ar a funny sort, so often it takes trauma and pain to move us.  So be it, but remember that none of us know the number of our days, and you can't make a decision for Christ after you're  dead.  God Bless you guys, Ross
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2009, 04:10:43 AM »
So you are implying moral relativism?  Is this about "truth" or about what is morally "right" and "wrong"?  

Truth is relative.  Your truth can easily and often differ from mine.  Honesty is being truthful with others.  Integrity is being truthful with yourself.  Morality is following a moral code, in my case, the Judeo-Christian Ethic, on which this country was founded.  One can be absolutely truthful and still be completely amoral.  So honesty and integrity, while certainly necessary, are no guarantee of, or substitute for moral and ethical behaviors in an individual and in a society as a whole, sir.

I care not for any abstraction about whether Jesus was a Socialist.  And to argue our individual religious beliefs or lack thereof serves no better purpose that arguing why, for example, I might like the taste of cauliflower and you don't.  

I do care very deeply about an ethical, moral and enduring society -- one that is a good place to live and to raise a family and to prosper in freedom without fear of our Government.  I care for religious freedom, and the preservation of our constitutional rights.  You may recall that our American principles of freedom stem from the premise that God, not government, endowed us with our basic freedoms and rights, as individuals and citizens, but that with those come personal accountability and responsibility.  I believe this to be true.  I believe God also endowed each of us with an innate sense of right and wrong, and that societies, through the ages have codified this sense of moral rightness in enduring laws of behavior that ultimately determine whether societies will prosper or die.  The 10 Commandments are one of the best and most succinct.  You don't need to be a Bible thumping, "brother are ye saved?" (liberal stereotypical extreme right-wing) Christian, or even a Christian for that matter, to understand a couple of simple phrases, for example:

God Bless America, land that I love.
In God We Trust
One nation, under God.

Surrender God-given rights and freedoms and the requisite individual moral behaviors that must necessarily follow to any set of secular laws defined by elected legislators or unelected judges, surrender to moral relativism, and watch what happens to any God-less society.  I believe Daniel Patrick Moinyham coined the phrase some years ago -- "defining deviancy down".  He was a prescient fellow, and a great Democrat.

I love my country, but I fear my government.  God, please help us preserve this great nation and may God bless America.  

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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2009, 04:21:51 AM »
Do you?

Yes, of course I desire the blessings of liberty and freedom and individual responsibility for all peoples, of all colors, of all religions, of all *_*_*_*_*_*ual persuasions.  It is my belief that those blessings come from God and when accompanied by moral behavior and individual responsibility, the world will be a lot better place.  Surrender your freedoms and abandon principles and moral behavior and . . .

Well, how did the tune go:  Bow down before the one you serve, your gonna' get what you deserve.

I am very sorry about your loss of employment.  There are lots of folks suffering.  Do you think the "stimulus" has made any difference?  Do you think it will be the Government that "saves" us in this crisis or that if Government just got the hell out of the way we'd be better off.

Did you live and work through the era of Jimmy Carter?

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RE: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 04:30:30 AM »
Ross,,That was beautifully said & full of sincerity,if I wasn't already a believer of our Lord & Savior,I would no doubt believe after reading your post!!! I have long accepted Jesus Christ as my savior(1994) I was not seeking anything at that time in my life,let alone Christ,if I told you of events that were taken place in my life at that time,most would think that I was insane,I don't know how or why but a force much greater than myself,which I believe is the holy spirit brought me to my faith & yes I tried to turn away,everywhere I turned,that spirit was with me & I decided to except it for whatever it may or may not be,at that time of exceptance,things about me were changing,words that I used & the derogatory ways in which I used them were no longer part of my vocabulary,I never made an attempt to try & chage my vocabulary,it just happened,I will not say that I am a church goer or a righteous man nor will I say that I believe everything in the bible,it is a book written by man,it's like the guy who goes fishing & catches a 3lb flounder, after he tells his story numerous times over,that same flounder has now become a 800lb shark!!!!
I believe in Christ & what he represents & yes I try to live my life as he would want me to,I never read the bible but I do know the bible,not word for word but the way the lord wants me to know it!!!!  Great Post Ross!!!!   GOD BLESS YOU!!
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RE: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2009, 12:30:55 AM »
If Jesus was a socialist then socialism, like everything else that is screwed up and evil, has become perverted by man.

Very simply, Jesus was benevolent. Socialists today are malevolent.

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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2009, 12:57:44 PM »
Jesus was non-political. However, after some thought, I see the term "Religious Right" as a contradiction in terms. If the right-wing was truly religious, they would follow Jesus's example and help the poor and decrepid instead of saying "They're just lazy" and concentrating on their own lives and pocketbooks. If anything, liberals would be more akin to Jesus in this aspect of helping those less fortunate.
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2009, 01:34:16 PM »
I think you guys have beat this Post To Death.. Why not let it rest in peace.....
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Re: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2009, 02:07:16 PM »


Oh Michael,



Yes the Liberals are the one that "care" for the sick, the weak and poor, but there very happy to pay for them with YOUR MONEY !!! HAHAHA There the cheapest suckers when it comes to donations, out of their personal pockets. Their interest is only in getting people (sheeple) like you, to Vote for them !



As for the term Religious Right, it only describes Religious People that are Conservative People. Unlike Religious Left, which is an oxymoron !



From this post, it is quiet obvious that you have no beliefs or opinions of your own, and are just posting to prove to yourself that you are still alive ?



And as for the poor andsick, it was believed in the time of Jesus, that these people were sinners, and cursed by God for their sins, or the sins of their fathers. And I don't remember Jesus going to Leper Colonies to feed and cure them, or any other group in his time.



And if you don't mind answering,,,,what donations have you given to the poor, what Soup Kitchens have You worked in to feed the hungry, when was the last time you gave a beggar a meal ?????? Or cure the sick, maybe raise the dead,and don't countyourself, you don'tqualify???



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Who IS Jesus Christ?
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2009, 06:12:42 PM »
TheLORDOFHOSTS is ALPHA AND OMEGA, CREATOR OF ALL -which is beyond the scope or comprehension of mortal men.
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The GODHEAD is a Patriarchal government, and cares for all members.
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Governments of men are never comparable,since men are corrupt, as are their governments.
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Since viewing yourself as greater than the LORD OF HOSTS is blasphemy, I would suggest you findless offensiveways to 'amuse' yourself!

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RE: Was Jesus Christ a socialist?
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2009, 05:04:55 AM »
Hey Cuz,
     Finally had a second and wanted to thank you for those kind words.  I am nothing but that which Christ makes of me, isn't that true for all of us.  Time is short my brother, keep your eyes looking up to the heavenlies!
     God Bless!  Ross
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