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Offline USNCop

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Well put TCups
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2009, 03:07:01 PM »
It looks like you made the same realization that I was going to suggest.  I would rather be deadly with just one rifle than decent with the lot.
Your point is well taken and I understand.  I decided that for now I don't want to hassle with pumps and such, so I will fine tune with springers for now.

I'm happy if I owned only 1 rifle but I'm able to spend enough time with 3 so it's not so bad for me.  My MM .177 B26 has been a little challenging so far but I have to give it some time.
Luckily, my .22 B26 was such a smooth, accurate shooter as is that I didn't have so much trial and error with it.  It seems to either like a particular pellet or it doesn't.
Perhaps you can visualize my description of shooting a springer with a pretend laser bore sighter inserted in the muzzle and having to focus on a pinpoint on my target.  That's why I mentioned accuracy improvement with shooting other things.  I feel it enforces focus and trigger pull.

I would LIKE to challenge myself with your bench match of a 1" group at 30 yds.  I'll measure my back yard, otherwise I'll have to get to the range.

One thing I've always loved about the GTA, we can all discuss our favorite methods of slinging lead down range in an adult fashion.  It's refreshing for me to know that I suffer the same headaches as everyone else here with my AG's.
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Re: I had an airgun realization this week.
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2009, 09:38:08 PM »
You say, when you take 3 or 4 springers with you. I say, what the hell for? Would you carry 3 or 4  PCP's around with you?

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Re: I had an airgun realization this week.
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2009, 01:12:23 AM »


Regarding accuracy, for those that didn't see the original post:



SCOPE SHIFT [/b]
     This is the No. 1 problem shooters have with scopes. It's also called point-of-impact (POI) shift. There are several reasons for this and none of them are the scope's fault. They're problems that plague mostly new scope users, but they can also crop up when a veteran shooter starts using a scope in a new way. The reasons for scope shift are many, so I'll try to rank them by the commonality of occurrence.
     
     FOR SPRING GUNS ONLY: For spring guns, the No. 1 cause of scope shift is how the gun is held. Certain spring guns are so sensitive that the group impact point can be moved several inches at close range, depending on where the hands are placed and how the stock is held. The reason for this is the vibration patterns that spring guns have when they shoot. Other powerplants don't have these vibrations and cannot react to them. If you own a spring gun and don't hold it exactly the same way for every shot, you can expect poor accuracy and scope shift all the time. The solution is to develop one hold and memorize it so you always apply it.
 

      1. Parallax
 This is generally the most common cause of "scope shift" for all air rifles (with the exception of hold sensitivity for spring guns, mentioned above). I put the quotes around the phrase, because it isn't the scope that is shifting...it's the shooter! New shooters see that their scope has a parallax correction adjustment (the AO wheel) and they assume that once they're focused on target there's no more parallax. That's incorrect. Parallax is the line between your eye, the reticle and the target. Because the three are in different planes, there MUST always be some parallax. A good scope can reduce this to a large extent, which for some shooters is all it takes. Does a deer hunter care whether the bullet passed between the third and fourth ribs or just broke the third rib? As long as the deer is down, that's the whole point. But, a field target shooter gets upset when his pellet lands 0.04" from where he intended. The deer hunter will never notice parallax; the field target shooter will obsess over it.


 The adjustable objective, or AO, removes as much parallax as possible at any given range. The shooter just turns the adjustment ring on the objective bell until the target is as sharp and clear as it can get. As good as it is, AO doesn't remove any of the parallax caused when the shooter places his aiming eye at different places in relation to the eyepiece. A repeatable spotweld that always locates the aiming eye in the same place is necessary.

To correct the kind of parallax I'm talking about, the shooter has to be 100 percent certain that he places his eye at the same location for every shot. This is called a "spotweld" by the U.S. Army, which refers to assuming a position so regular that it's as if your head were spotwelded to the gun. This most-common cause for scope shift is 100 percent user-caused and can therefore be entirely prevented.

 

2. Elevation adjusted too high
 The second most common cause for scope shift is when the vertical reticle is adjusted too high. The reticle is etched on a tube called the erector tube. When adjustments are made, the entire erector tube moves. A spring opposite the vertical adjustment knob keeps tension on the erector tube. On many scopes, this spring relaxes when the elevation is adjusted too high. I call it "floating" the erector tube, because that's what's happening...the tube is floating at the end of the spring travel. The erector tube is no longer held rigidly between the spring and the adjustment screw, and it hops around from shot to shot, taking the rifle's aimpoint with it.




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Re: I had an airgun realization this week.
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 04:05:23 AM »
Good article Richie.        Paul
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 04:32:20 AM »
Thanks Richie great post learnd more from it then ever new ever ever.seya gooon huntin fur such. lol 21grains

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Re: I had an airgun realization this week.
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2009, 04:32:25 AM »
By the way, Paul, I lived in Tucson briefly in my younger days, but only stayed for a year because I couldn't find work back then (70's). Beautiful city, and you can have guns!! So now I live on the East Coast, thus the purchase of the Whisper. I'll grant there's alot more than I ever knew about shooting springers, but love it.

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Re: I had an airgun realization this week.
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2009, 06:12:59 AM »
Technically, I think some springers are more accurate, but assuming you're a human being who has some inconsistency to your hold or trigger pull, there's no way you can consistently match a PCP's accuracy.   I've got very accurate examples of both and while on a good day my TX200 will keep up and sometimes surpass my S410E, there are plenty of other times when I'm just not shooting at my best and the S410 will still group pretty well while the TX200 starts throwing pellets all over the place.   Of course I'm the one responsible for that, but the fact is that with a PCP I'd still be shooting much, much better.

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2009, 11:20:39 AM »
JMO,...but it just takes more finesse to shoot the smaller .177 cal. than it does shooting a .22,..(with springers in mind). I hunt with both,..and have had very good results with both. Shooting a spring rifle takes Lots and Lots of Practice to shoot well,...and each one shoots different. The challenge is what makes it so rewarding!!!!!!! Best of luck, tjk
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2009, 12:30:01 PM »
A PCP should shoot more accurately.  I mean look at the price.  If they didn't shoot more accurately then no one would buy them.  I have well over 2 grand into the Cyclone and the HW97 with a tune about $1100.  My next air rifle (tactical Airwolf with good scope) 3 grand.  Just a few minutes ago I shot the HW 1/2" groups at 20 yards.  The Cyclone you couldn't measure it because it's all the same hole.  Yesterday I shot a English Sparrow at 91 yards and knocked the feathers out of one 103 yards.  Still I love my springer.    PelletPaul
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