An update from Oklahoma

[Gene_SC]

The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..........We did it anyway.

We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.

Guess what..........we did it anyway.

Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahomadatabase for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional.

Guess what........We did it anyway.

Several weeks ago, we passed a law declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.........More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again.

The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi.
Guess what..........We did it anyway.

By the way, Obama does not like any of this.
Guess what....who cares..we're doing it anyway.

[grackledown]

Great! Now you can bring back segregation! Better yet, slavery!!!

[Gene_SC]

This has nothing to do with segregation nor slavery. It is the way it should be and the Feds have no business running our lives.

[grackledown]

Aha.

[Dust]

Segregation and slavery - racial issue
States rights - States Rights issue

Not seeing the parallel here

[grackledown]

Anyone familiar with the history of segregation knows that calls for "states rights" is nothing more than code for segregation. Southerners knew this when Ronald Reagan called for states rights when he ran for President in 1980. It was known as the "Southern Strategy". That year the head of the Ku Klux Klan said that the Republican Party platform "could have been written by a Klansman".

[Dust]

I've heard the same thing said about Obama, but he was on the far side of the clansmen.

[gamoluver1]

u are so correct

[Big_Bill]

The Internet is a wonderful place, everyone, regardless of Race, Religion, National Origins and Political Affiliations can come together and discuss Air Guns ! None of knowing anything about the others, unless they either openly tell us, or post something that might give others a clue to the above.

I WILL again ask the members to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights..............

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This states that ALL powers not given to the Federal Government by the Constitution, or Denied by the Constitution, Belong to the States and/or the People ! The States have Every Right not given to the Federal Government, and as they joined the United States of America, they can Separate or End this Agreement.

As for slavery and discrimination, every one of us that works for another, has agreed to a form of indentured servitude (part time slavery) or prostitution (pay as you go slavery). I don't know of any Lifetime Contracts today, but they still may exist somewhere, but not long ago, actors were signed to Lifetime Contracts with Studios, and in affect sold themselves into slavery.

Discrimination on the other hand, has and will exist forever, in the hearts and minds of People that can not or will not accept others, for one reason or the other, even it is because of the color of their hair or eyes.

Now, the States that are in question, Texas and Oklahoma, have decided to regain control of Their States from the control of the Federal Government, and how the Federal Government feels they shouldbe doing things, which The Federal Government has NO Constitutional Right to Control. The Fed.Gov has over the years encroached into these areas of the States Rights, by denying Fed. Aid if the States do not comply with their thoughts or wishes, most all the States comply to get the funds. But with all that is going on now, Many wonder the wisdom of the Fed. Gov.'s actions, encroaching on private companies and banksand spending. Nothing to do with slavery ! NOTHING AT ALL !

Bill

[grackledown]

Are you in favor of segregation?

[gamoluver1]

no i just think that we should not be ruled by the government

[erskine]

Born and bred...

Fort Sill, Oklahoma, 1952

When men were men and sheep ran scared.

;)

[erskine]

grackledown - 6/16/2009  12:29 AM  Anyone familiar with the history of segregation knows that calls for "states rights" is nothing more than code for segregation. Southerners knew this when Ronald Reagan called for states rights when he ran for President in 1980. It was known as the "Southern Strategy". That year the head of the Ku Klux Klan said that the Republican Party platform "could have been written by a Klansman".

Sorry, but bull sheite...

I am familiar with history and States Rights might have been an issue when slavery was an issue. Indeed it might have been an issue when segregation was an issue but any jackalope that wants to tell me that "States Rights" when applied to this God forsaken tax and spend regime in Washington is really about the color of people's skin is either shallow minded or a liar.

Which is it with you, grackledown? Are you shallow minded because I know you are not a liar?

States Rights is a discussion about whether we are a Confederation or a Federalist Republic. It has absolutely nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin. Anyone who knows their history, knows that. So.. Go read the Federalist Papers. Go study that which you claim to understand. Once you actually understand the basic issues we can talk about whether it is right to say that because States Rights, once soiled by those who would abuse liberty, are STILL about the color of a man's skin.

The discussion is about whether the FED has the right to dictate to a state (whether the state is sovereign) or the FED is sovereign. Who runs things? The state or the federal government. The founders did not state clearly what they intended because they could not agree on that. The Civil War, being a war about sovereignty rather than a war about the color of people's skin, established that "States Rights" could not be exercised to take from any person the right of freedom. It did not establish that the sovereignty of the state was subordinate to the soverignty of the federation *BECAUSE* that can only be determined by contest (war).

You probably don't understand that but if you read it enough times over the next twenty years you may get it.

[erskine]

grackledown - 6/16/2009  6:31 PM  Are you in favor of segregation?

Your argument that a call for states rights is a call for segregation is a "red herring" argument. Nobody here has advocated any form of segregation, yet you seem to feel that you have a right to claim they did for no other reason than that they believe that states rights might be an issue in some of the other political decisions being made today. Do you do that because you feel like you are intellectually superior to the people who frequent this forum or do you do it because you feel that people who are not history buffs are just too ignorant and it is your job to educate them?

Notice how neatly the same tactic that you are using on this thread works when used against you? I assert that you believe something which may be unrelated to the topic at hand but is distasteful to both of us. I give you only one choice just as you give us only one choice either we are all bigots and racists or we understand that states rights are all about prejudice. You just gave us all a tough assed choice. Either we are bigots or we do not think states rights are important.

Let me ask you something, do you believe that "States Rights" are a threat to the current Administration? Do you think that if certain states decide that the Federal government has over stepped it's bounds and decide to tell Obama to FXCK OFF! that those states should be invaded because they must be bigots?

The only reason that I ask that question is because that is what you just implied... maybe you simply did not understand your own question?

but that is just ... me ... I should also say that if you had trouble following the logic this post, it was probably because you really did not spend enough time making the connections.

Let me sum it up for you concisely. Bigotry as an excuse in the United States of America, today, is a LAME ASSED EXCUSE. There are Mexican men and women smuggeling their own children across the border into this country every day and ten years from now those kids will be attending college and making something of themselves... not that I agree with illegal immigration ... but I recognize the difference between people who are willing to work for what they get and people who want to blame the system for what they don't have, DO YOU?

I do. So if you don't mind, please stop trying to blame the system for the failures of people who can not get off their own asses and work for what they want..

Just my two, but son, I've been around the block once or twice, as have a whole lot of men and women here who SERVED and only saw RED blood.

So consider getting over YOUR prejudice 'cause the rest of us are just sick of that childish sheit...

[North Pack]

To a leftie, states rights are a VERY scary issue. Most of the time they'll sweep it under a rug if possible, - something to be avoided. After all, with "states rights" in place - "BO and friends" can't turn the U.S. into a copy of western Europe, - a socialist heaven in their view. This issue is in the process of moving to a front burner, - and at some point will end up being decided by the Supreme Court. ... It's all about taxes, power and regulating people, - and personal freedom be damned.