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Whisper .177 review Long
« on: June 27, 2009, 03:31:41 PM »
Gamo Whisper .177 Review

  UPS dropped off my new Whisper .177 Thursday. It came double boxed and all seems to be in order. This is the Gas Spring version from Pyramyd Airgun Mall. They even included the original spring from the gun in the box.
  The rifle comes with a Gamo 3x9x40 scope and a one pc mount with a stop pin. I purchased the 10 shots for 10 dollars and they included the chrony tape.All shots were over 1000 FPS!!
  I took the rifle out side and fired a few rounds. It cocks smoothly but there is no slack, it's right to the point all the way down until the barrel clicks into place. It's not hard, maybe 35 pounds of effort. My RWS 34 Pro was a lot harder until it broke in, this effort will stay the same all the time however. Still it's an all day shooter.
  The trigger was not bad at all. If I had not already bought a GRT III, I would have left it alone. It was a lot better trigger than my Gamo Varmint Hunter which I returned several months ago before I found this great forum. The trigger is steel, not plastic which I had heard. It had a good first stage and a little longer 2nd stage but broke crisply. They seem to be working on their triggers.
  It smoked, cracked and dieseled all day giving off that burnt smell. Using open sights I couldn't hit a thing. I noted when trying to adjust the rear sight it was loose, taking it up stairs I tried to tighten it up and found that the hinge pin did not go all the way through like it was suppose to. As you can see in the picture, the hole wasn't stamped all the way through and there should have been a c-clip at the end.
It's not enough of a problem to send it back, but I will try to contact Gamo for another...if I can get through their poor customer service.( Pyramyd Airgun mall did get Gamo to snd me another rear sight, other wise I would still be waiting.)
I put down a towel and removed the stock, which by the way feels good. It came to my shoulder well and just fit right. The rifle weights 5 pounds w/o scope on my bathroom scale and feels balanced.
I opened my computer and brought up CDT's guide for installing the GRT III trigger. I had to turn the rifle over so I could get to the c-clip, using a pair of needle nose pliers opened just slightly I pushed the c-clip off the pin.......where did it go?? There was no pop, I was very careful...I swear! It was gone......just gone! I looked in the trigger housing...lots of grease in there...I used several different lights and magnifying glasses....looked on the floor.....on the towel....under the towel.....all around the desk......$#%^#@@!!!!  DANG!! It was gone. Since I wasn't going to use the rear sight I took one off of there, It seemed to be the right size.
I removed the trigger according to CDT's instructions...very carefully...I moved slowly....once the trigger was free of its housing....springs and pins flew everywhere! DANG, DANG, DANG!!!! So far I'm having a rotten time with all of this. I tried to figure out how to put the trigger back together when I realized that I didn't need to since I had the GRT III. I finished following the instructions and put everything back together. Er!....whats this part? On the cocking arm there is a round black plastic part, which looks like a spacer that had come off......so off comes the stock again, spacer put back on, blue locktite on the threads, tightened each bolt until it smoked and then backed off a quarter turn! LOL!! Army humor!
  Using the Gamo Hardware I installed a Centerpoint 4x12x40AO which looks great on this rifle. Taking it outside I lined everything up down range and slowly tightened up all the screws using the supplied allen wrenches
  Since the crony at Pyramyd used 7.9 gr pellets, that's what I had on hand. All of their test shots were over 1000FPS. I started with Crosman Destroyers because they make nice round holes in the paper. The first few shots didn't even hit the paper at 20 meters. 30 clicks up elevation finally got me there but the pellets were scattered all over the place. Figuring that its a new gun, I just need to get a bunch of lead down range, but I still thought it would group somehow, but it didn't.
  After 20 to 30 shots I switched pellets. All this time the rifle is spitting smoke and cracking. Looking at the breech I wipe off a glob of grease near the chisel ( that sharp looking thing which locks the barrel closed.) Anyways, this chisel goes right past the breech seal, I sure the clearance is OK but if a pellet should be hanging out of the loading port just a small bit, it's going to tear the seal. Bad design I'd say.
   Switching pellets didn't solve the problem. This rifle is scattering shots all over the target face. After one shot, something hits me in the arm. Looking down I see it's a c-clip. So that's where it was, it was stuck in the grease after all. I put it aside and kept trying to get even a small group going with this rifle. After shooting another ten pellets, again something hits me in the arm, looking down I see another c-clip! OH NO! That means that there is really nothing holding the trigger in the rifle..( at least that's what I'm thinking.)
  Apart comes the gun again and this time I use the smaller c-clip on the GRT III trigger. Still, shots are all over the place.
  Here is another post I had before writing this  http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18138&posts=14&highlight=new%20shooter%20in%20town&highlightmode=1#M147941

  I like the rifle, Its lite weight, its powerful and strong, no twang just a solid thunk. Its most likely hold sensitive. Every time I get it to group well, the next ten shots will be all over the place. At times, it seems like the rifle needs to warm up. I'll shoot 10 to 12 pellets that will hit all over then it will settle down and shoot well for the next 25 or so. I'll go change the target, shoot again and find pellets all over. Maybe it is my hold, I just don't know. I'll switch pellets to heavy ones and find the same things, nothing is consistent. It's easy to say that its me and my shooting style. I shoot off of a rest, trying to take as much of me out of the process as possible and still its a wild shooter.

  As of this date, 06-27-09 this rifle has destroyed 3 scopes and I've had it less than a month. The supplied Gamo scope didn't last long and the two centerpoint 4x16x40AO from Walmart lasted a little longer. One I think was defective. The turrets became loose and refused to turn after awhile. The other was fine and then suddenly lost its focus during shooting. Walmart was great and took them back. This time I got a 3x12x40AO Bushnell from them. So far all is well.
  This rifle does kick, has lots of recoil and is at least a 1000 shot rifle before it breaks in. If it could become accurate, it will be one killer rifle. I hope it happens soon.

Thanks for listening,

Paul
Central Texas

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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 01:42:32 AM »
Since the Whisper has not spring, try heavier pellets such as the CP heavies. You may find that this will help accuracy.
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2009, 01:55:01 AM »
Great review.  Hmmm, my regular Whisper shot great from day 1.....and yours' a Gas Spring....so I'm thinking it should have even less recoil.  Test it with even more different pellets....you will eventually find one it likes.  Good luck.
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2009, 04:51:18 AM »
Thanks Gene, I have already done that. Using Crosman 10.5 gr I would get some really fine groups then they would be several inches off in all directions. Today I should have about 700 to 750 pellets through her and thats being conservative.  I still gets whisps of smoke from the barrel and smell that  burnt diesel smell. She at least is not as bad as a few weeks ago. Things do seem to be getting tighter, it just seems like a very slow process. If this rifle is not hitting well by the end of the summer I'll send her to you for a lube tune and a exam. Maybe you can work some magic with her.
Paul
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2009, 06:29:39 PM »
Paul

Thank you for posting this, i thought i was going crazy because I just got my Whisper w/ Gas Spring this past week and have the same accuracy problems as you!  I dont know if it's my technique or what, because one minute I'll be doing 1" groups at 20 yards and then maybe one out of five times there would be a flyer that's 4 inches off in all directions.  I'm really confused, maybe it's my technique?

So far I've tried kodiaks, CP heavy and RWS wadcutters.

I'm afraid I might have bought the wrong gun.  :(

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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 04:41:14 AM »
I agree Jack. This morning I was out shooting and got 3 hits in the center ring at 21 yards. I switched targets and hit all over the place. I'm very careful about how I rest the rifle, I made sure to use the same hold each time and still I get long range fliers. However I have noted that when I get a real bad shot string I still smell burning lube. I'm betting that rifles that shoot badly like ours would probably benefit from a lube tune at least. Since I install the GRT III trigger I'm sure I voided the warranty and can not send it back. I'll give the rifle until Aug. and it it still does not shoot well, I'll send it to one of the tuners on this forum. I hope my Crosman Nitro will shot well. I would hate to have to go through this again
  But Jack, if your only getting one flyer every now and then, thats normal. I wouldn't complain at all for that. Rereading your post it sounds like you and your rifle are doing well. Keep me posted on how you both are doing.

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Paul
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 03:25:37 PM »
Doc my G1 would do the same thing,  I've shot well over 2000 pellets through my G1 and it's settled down very nice.  But sometimes It'll shoot a wild one..  I guess it's part of the springer's nature and also alot of other factors.  One being the pellets.  I use Crossman HP  and I know all the pellets aren't all uniform.  there are plenty of flaws.  "it is what it is" lol     nice report  have fun with the gun.
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RE: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 10:27:28 PM »
hey paul, Im gonna post up my thoughts on the whisper in a new thread.  I think you'll find that's simliar to yours

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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 02:18:23 PM »
looking forward to it.I'm sure we can figure this out.
Paul
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 11:16:14 AM »
I have a Whisper springer with the GRT III trigger and it is definitely hold sensitive.  You have to put JUST the right amount of pressure and it will shoot just fine.  I am using a MTM Predator rest and I think that I'll get a set of Bulls Bags and see if the softer bag makes a difference

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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 11:21:37 AM »
Good luck with that Jim. I sent my Whisper to Gene for a tune and he told me that the piston seal was damaged. I guess when Pyramid put it back together after installing the gas ram that they might have nicked it, or that because of the gas spring, I need a heavier pellet, which I will do. I'll keep everyone posted on the tune. Let us know how yours works out.

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Paul
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 01:19:42 PM »
I hope you guys come up with some sort of miracle. My Whisper is driving me crazy trying to figure out why it doesn't like any pellets. Shoot 100 to 150 pellets and finally get a 1-1 1/2" group and put it up for the night. The next day it may shoot 6' high and 4-5" to the left. Have tried several different  pellets and weights to no avail. Today I took the scope off and sighted it in with open sights. It did better than with the scope? Will see what it will be like tomorrow? Was really planning to hunt with it this year but Don't think that will work. Also want to ask how bad does a wind of 10 mile per hr. affect the pellet? At 10 yds it seem to push my groups 2' to the left. Is this common? I was using 7.9 gr pellets.  ...... Dale

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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2009, 07:10:52 AM »
My Whisper is back from being tuned by Gene. It's quieter, doesn't diesel and smooth cocking. It shoots at 975FPS with 7.9 gr pellets and 850FPS with 10.5 gr pellets. Gene said the piston seal was burned and chewed up thats why the shots were all over the place. It now shoots well. I just have to get the scope zeroed in... which seems to be another problem in its self since this rifle is so lite. My crosman Nitro is a much better rifle.
Paul
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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 01:12:02 PM »
Well a friend came up today and brought me some RWS superdomes. It was like a different gun. Put the scope back on and zeroed it in and it shot so much better. Will try it again tomorrow and see if it remains the same. I sure hope so!!!   Hard to believe that a pellet can make this much difference? And about the previous post, it was 2'' with a 10 mph wind, not 2 feet. Just old and fumble fingered I guess........Dale

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Re: Whisper .177 review Long
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2009, 02:18:13 PM »
Yes it is amazing how much difference a pellet can make. try these two free programs. I'm not sure if they are the same or not. But I have both on my computer. After playing with them a bit, you'll figure it out. I do use a rest with my Whisper to support the rifle. I just hold it lightly. Happy shooting. let us know how it all works out.

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Paul
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