Author Topic: rant: i think i will be forced out of the airgun hobby for the time being  (Read 3560 times)

Offline geiger

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our spineless politicians directed by the slimy EU parliament will soon introduce a new law that will limit airguns stronger than 20J or 200m/s at muzzle. to get one you'll need to do a weapons handling safety program that will cost as much as an normal airgun (200$). thing is that you'll need to give a good reason why do you want to own an airgun (the most common legitimate reasons are sports, hunting, self defense).
basically we're adopting something like germany, england, italy,... already have. you'll also have to register your airgun and pay the required fees of course.
this law will be enacted to prevent accidents and unstable persons to get their hands on "guns" or something like that. the irony is we didn't have any accidents with an airgun as long as i can remember and unstable people will get their hands on such guns despite the law.
failing to register airguns bought prior to the law will cost you from 4000$ to 20000$.
the current law allowed every person above 18 years to own an unrestricted airgun.

personally i am for the law if it wouldn't be so expensive and downright stupid. because airgunners will attend the same seminars regular firearms shooters do. to get a real gun you need to make some additional courses...so airgunners wont get instant access to real weapons just yet.
obviously the law is more than anything a scam to get money from taxpayers with probably no real results in the end.

this thread is more than anything a rant at how outrageously stupid politicians can be, but there's probably nothing we back here can do because the law as i understood will be ratified soon and gathering enough votes to veto it would take too long. and what's even worse is that it's a EU directive which means it is almost 100% sure it will get voted in despite what we do...except maybe if we'd complain to the EU court, but you know how futile that would be. so basically all we can do is lube our bums and bite our teeth.

on a side note...i never signed up to be treated this way by the EU. before anyone goes..."look at the poor socialists back there in Europe...", let me tell you that socialism/communism is not the same as a nanny state. i happen to agree with some social principles but what we're facing is not socialism, it's corrupt idiocy. i want the EU to be a trade union not a goddamn tyranny.

i'm ranting because i'm a student and could barely afford my RWS 34, whic ironically is way more expensive here than in the US (i paid for mine something around 370 dollars without scope...the cheap gamo scope cost an additional 100 dollars).
so until i get a proper job, adult airguns will be tough to get.
and besides...i'm also afraid airgun types at gun stores will decline due to the limit.

now...i'm thinking, pay the 200$ i don't have (there are more pressing needs right now..such as paying the rent), go illegal or stop shooting for a while till i get a proper job.
in the case that i will have to pay additional fees for any new gun i'll buy, things will really suck

meh...i'll figure out something. if only the box wouldn't say it has 300m/s i could play dumb, not knowing what i've bought. :D


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Where are you? Don't go quietly. Write to every elected official you can get the address for and tell them to stop the madness. If you say nothing, or you don't vote, you have not right to complain.


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MartinDWhite - 7/8/2009  3:07 PM

Where are you? Don't go quietly. Write to every elected official you can get the address for and tell them to stop the madness. If you say nothing, or you don't vote, you have not right to complain.



hmm...at my local airgun forum we're talking what could be done, but as usual no consensus is met. basically we barely knew about this law until it was already proposed.
i'm afraid because the EU is involved in this and that's a bigger fish to fry. and i didn't vote for this *_*_*_*_*_*, spineless gov we currently have.
and obviously the media isn't helping because they all spew out garbage about airguns.

as in...they compared the RWS 350 to an AK47, arguing that the diana has a faster bullet velocity than the AK and thus being a deadky weapon. yes of course i criticized and debunked his delusions. but you know...airgunners are a minority almost everywhere you look.

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What country are you from?

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MikeX2 - 7/8/2009  3:38 PM

What country are you from?


oh that...forgot...slovenia.we're nobody really, but still it sucks to go trough this.

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A trade union of some sort makes a great deal of sense, - what you've ended up with would drive me totally nuts. It's unfortunate to say the least, that the VAST majority of folks are law abiding and will NEVER cause a problem are the ONLY ones to lose their ability for self-defense or hunting. Is there anyone really numb enough to believe a true criminal gives a rats a** about those laws - hello, kinda doubt it. ... In many ways we have a similar situation here, - some folks in say New York City are causing a problem - and it's ALL because of the loose guns laws in Virginia. Answer - New York problem requires a change in Virginia's law - right? ... Answer NO, - if loose gun laws were the real problem, Virginia would have the same problem that New York does, - how about it's the folks involved???? ... In any case my own little rant, - and best of luck with your situation.

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It's happening all over....or have happened in some places already.  Just another way for the govt' to get their hands on more money and take away your airgun hobby......and soon your firearms.  That way the govt's can blow away all the taxes they collected and do whatever they please and you'll end up only able to use harsh words on them.........
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Mike, I feel sad for folks when freedoms they cherish evaporate before their very eyes.If you haven't already, contact the National Rifle Association for information that might be of help to you in your country.There might be more that can still be done or not, but these folks at the NRA are willing to share ideas to help you organize and mount a political resistence if nothing more than pay back on election day.Best of luck.

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we have to realize that mustering up a proper opposition from scratch to a law that is with it's right foot already in the works is not that easy. especially not if you're a student and poor.
you have the NRA that knows how things work for a long time now.

we're going against a legislature machine (the EU) that is so new, even the politicians are having a hard time coping with it. excuse me for being pessimistic but how could such a small insignificant country compete with the likes of germany, england, italy, france, spain,... i'm afraid we're too little and too late. but still we're debating the possible next move. we do have a "shooting association" but it's really not like the NRA.

thing is that alot of people back here doesn't seem to care that much...since a lot of them are working adults that could spend the 200$ to avoid the trouble. so maybe i'm making a big fuss about it. but i'm talking about principles...the law is for most of the part useless, because we don't have trouble with airguns...never had (maybe a few bad apples here an there, nothing serious). why the hell would i give that money for nothing?... 200$ wasted is 200$ wasted. and you also have to include the paperwork and time. let's not even think if i'd like to order a gun from abroad...all the paperwork.

but thanks for the support. the irony is that i though it could never happen to me...but now that it is, i can feel for you US folk.

i'm also an serious bow shooter (competition level) and there was speculation bows might get restricted also...yeah, i have a sporting license which would grant me free accesses. but i have contacts there and also bow shooting is a widespread sport here. so i kinda doubt bows will face the same fate.

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Isn't it kinda the same everywhere?? They pass a law saying they are protecting the  'poor and destitute' by raising a fee or a tax, and then the poor and destitute end up more poor and destitute.

The only thing that doesn't change is that the Gov ends up with more money and more control.

Point being. They more laws they pass the less chanch they have enforcing them because they don't have enough people to go after it.

We already have so many guns laws over here that you could lock people up forever if they got caught. Problem is, there are too many and the people that pursue them don't even know there is a law!

Voting starts at the local level.

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You say you are not against the social reforms, but don't social reforms demand gun control?  The purpose of the NRA is to oppose any gun reform at all.  All laws of control are only for the purpose to control the subjects that are under that law.  Just that the control is now directed to air guns is a continuing of the procedure of making the subjects all bow down to the power of the state. This board is not suppose to be political but owning anything eventually becomes at the pleasure of an oppressive state.  We have been proud for years that we are not subjects of any government in the US.  Granted that if we are not careful in the next few years we also might, piece by piece lose every thing also.

ken r a proud citizen and gun owner, both powder and air arms.

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I may be wrong on this, but I swear I read somewhere that after the Nazis took away the citizens' firearms they went after airguns and even BOWS.

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We are going though this bull sh1t at the moment..
It looks like there will be a new air gun law by the end
of the year....Talk so far is that the limit will 24fpe
witch isn't to bad and after that you will need a FAL..


It sucks

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