Need help with air rifle trade what to do ?

[howie1a]

So far I have sent my rifle to a other member after working out a trade, what has happened so far is that he had not responded to either my, inquiries  by email or PM's and I'm not sure that the rifle I traded for will come, in the mean time a other member has contacted me telling me he has the same problem, it looks like we are in the same boat. I am trying to be postive and hope that the rifles mine and the other' members come  soon , Do you as fellow members have any suggestions. at this point I don't want to name who this is in case he is honest but a little slow in shipping. I will let  everyone know who we are dealing with if the  rifle's  do not  show up so no one else will be ripped  off.Also I think the feedback in the form needs to be made easyer to find  maybe it should be found as a regular gate so if you are going to do any selling ,buying, or tradeing it will be eayser to find out something about the tradeing history of who you are dealing with. thanks  Howie :   :emoticon:  :emoticon:

[daveshoot]

I insist on personal contact infowithclassified sellersI don't know, anymore.

If they are reluctant to give me a real address and/or phone, I pass... otherwise I am just mailing money off into the void. The whole world seems to have my mobile number, soit is just reasonable for sellers,if you are asking total strangers to send you money, to provide some human form of contact.

The small claims process probably won't help much. You would need the contact info (at the very least) and even if you get a judgement you'll never collect. This case is unusual since it involves a trade, rather than money. That would be a pretty low sort of varmint.

I wish you luck with this and if the person turns out to be a schmuck I would indeed post afactual review in all the BOI reference lists. That is what they're for.

[Big_Bill]

Hey Howie,

You could start a Mail Fraud Claim, I do not know if you will see anything but it will sure cause the trader to think, the Post Office doesn't take mail fraud lightly !

I also require the seller or trader to speak to me on the phone, much can be learned form a conversation ! You get a feel for the seller, and who and what they are up to, or not.

And of course tell the trader that you intend to post all of his information on every Air Gun Forum that you belong to, and that you are filing a Postal Fraud Claim if you do not hear from him immediately, by phone, give him you number to call you, And give him a deadline, NOTE: FOLLOW THROUGH !! I wish you the best of luck !!!

Bill

[dw33]

Shouldn't the name of the person (on GTA) be listed so no one else does business with him?

[Big_Bill]

Yes it should David,

On the Buyer's, Seller's, Trader' Forum, as well as why he is being put there !

Even if it were ME !!!! I would deserve it !!!!! There is no excuse for this !!!!

Bill

[coochie]

I grew up around old school bikers and as a result iv allways been one. I have allways had a fasination with building old harleys/ choppers long befor it became a fad. Once, when I was living in east baltimore in a rough neighborhood, I was building an old school chopper in the kitchen of my row house. i came accross a business called "choppers INC." (in melbourne florida 1000 miles away). I called them up and ordered one of their tee shirts then went and got a money order for $25.00 and mailed it to them. after about 6 months, i still had not received the tee shirt in the mail. They gave me a bunch of exuses. well, im a surfer so i decided to take a surf trip to florida near where choppers inc. is located. while in florida, i took a trip to choppers inc.  and promply went inside, told them who i was a asked where the hell my teeshirt or my $25.00 was. they were very surprised to see me (These dudes are not your average people mind you, they were big ugly old school bikers). well they told my they dint have any tee shirts and that they were on back order (yea right, for 6 months?). Well they had some on display on the wall so I pointed at them and said you got some right there, give me one or kick out my money. That is how i got what was owed me. (Then a month later they sent me another one in the mail). To top it off the surf was killer in florida. I a similar expeiance with a $1000. surfboard that i had shaped for me by a guy (that lived 150 miles away from me) that was never deleivered. It is in my van now. It could be expensive for you to go and get it yourself but sometimes it's the principle of the thing.

[JimL911]

If it has been three weeks since you shipped your gun and you have not received his or tracking info post the experience on the Buyers,Sellers list. Three weeks is long enough and this will protect others from getting ripped off. You can always amend the transaction when/if you get satisfaction.

[cnsjones]

File the USPS Mail Fraud form here: https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx

Post any information you have on thisguy right away.  No excuse for this on this group or anywhere.
Post it here and inthe location under Classified as far as I am concerned.  What do you say, Gene?

As was swaid above , alsays get a phone number and talk before committing funds, Get complete mailing address (not PO Box) also.  Better be safe than sorry.  MOST airgunners are honest, it is a shame that a few bad apples can leave a bad taste.

[howie1a]

What I am doing is giving him a chance to make tis right then if nothing is done or I don't get any returns from my emails or the PM I sent he hasn't opened it yet.It's not only me but one of our other members that are waiting for this person toend him his rifle too, and what we are doi8ng in the mean time is to monotor the classified and if he put's anything up for sale we will let the other members know that the person that placed this new add did not ship the last 2 rifles to his buyer's  . This way he still has a chance to make it right  In the mean time I will PM Gene and Chrile to let them know everthing since they are the   Moderators: .Howie

[daveshoot]

Good plan. If your only contact options are EM and PM, these are almost the only options available. You could do the mail fraud thing but that is really tough, since they can't quantify your trade values.

You must have some shipping info if you sent the rifle? Certified letter is next. Great, you get to pay for that too, but it's the only next step if Lazy won't respond. All documentation is important including electronic and paper receipts.

Y'know, there are a lot of reasons for failing to ship a trade that are good and valid, including just being busy. But failing to communicate them is pretty inexcusable. If you are going to be climbing Mt. Everest and out of cell range for a while, best to wrap up unfinished business before leaving for Tibet.

I think anyone can understand a delay, but it is very hard to understand no return (much less proactive) info. You can go to a library and send an update if your email is down.

It is a heck of an obligation to receive another man's rifle and give only silence in return. If this drags on, let heaven ring with that party's name. I would want to know. I don't think a personal visit is necessarily safe (that's what OJ supposedly did) but it would be nice if the other party knows that's an option.

[howie1a]

I have sent PM's to both Gene and Charlie since they are both Moderators and maybe they can help, I am hopeing this is just a shipping problem but why does one of our other members have the same problem and is waiting longer than me for his rifle? If this ends up with us receiving our rifles I will post that it has been resolved and since I have not named who  is the seller that I and an other member is having the problem with no one is being blamed at this point Charlie and Gene know who is the seller and my hope is that they can act as a go between and solve this before  it has to go any further. The next step would ask that the seller is removed from this form so no other members are cheated .Howie

[Flyby]

Howie,
I spoke with him on the phone and you have a PM regarding the conversation. It doesn't appear we will be getting the rifles. My Dad is very ill so i'm pretty much living at the hospital. I really don't have the time right now to catch up on everything but I will try my best to stay in contact with PM's.

Thansk, Terry

[Mobley317]

Guys as I told the men who were involved in the deals gone bad the rifles were taken by my PO. The state of Ohio does not classify air rifles as guns, but the ohio Adult Parole Authority classifies them as "dangerous ordinances". I have explained to the 2 members that I will compensate them for the value of the trade as soon as possible. I have kept contact with them and even given my home phone number. If this is a scam then y would I even keep in contact, reply to emails, or try to post on the site again?

[Mobley317]

Also if I wanted to scam someone I would not give out my home address and phone number. This is the address where me my wife and my 2 daughters live. I would not involve them in something like that just to be able acquire a new air rifle. I understand that the situation is messed up, but also look from my point of view. I face the 2 members of this forum filing criminal charges against me for an unforseeable event. I do not wish to make the situation hard for anyone, but as a result of the week that i was "away" i lost my job so it is a hard time right now made even harder by the situation that I am in with the members here right now. Terry I am sorry about your Dad and also I apologize for adding stress at this hard time in your life. I am doing my best to rectify the situation.

[Flyby]

Thanks Shawn, my Dad finally got to come home this past Friday. He's still not doing the best in the world but he is making progress. It's hard trying to work and take care of his needs and dr's appointments. He your head up man it will get better ofr ya. All I ask is what you and I spoke about over the phone, which I think is fair for the both of us. Again tahnsk for your concerns.

Terry