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Offline AKJC1977

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DOES SHORTER BARREL = MORE FPS ?????
« on: August 24, 2009, 12:54:47 PM »
Hello feller's, I been seeing all this information regarding the shortening of barrel's. And how it can add velocity on some rifles. Makes sense as the pellet escapes with a bit less friction. But what does it do to accuracy? I know what ya gonna say now, depends on who and how it was shortened. My Gamo,Viper .177 is somewhere between here and Gene Curtis for a turbo-tune and I may get his opinion on it . How do you put the choke back in ? Clamp it in a properly sized round vise or what? Mine seems to have plenty of juice now,but I dont yet own a chrony so I will have to wait on Gene's readout.AKJC1977

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RE: DOES SHORTER BARREL = MORE FPS ?????
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 01:37:39 PM »
In some cases yes, and some no.

Typically the barrel is longer than it needs to be to efficiently use up the volume of air behind the pellet. I remember an equation from somewhere (I think it was for rimfire ammo though?)  that showed optimal barrel length for a given projectile and propellent. The same equation would work for springers. But basically, you want the pellet exiting the barrel at the point where the piston comes to rest.

If I remember right, it was said that that distange was 10 inches or so. But don't quote me on that! hehe

As far as accuracy goes, same thing. It's a crap shoot. If you have a rifle with a choked barrel, then chances are your accuracy will drop off. Unchoked, it may get better... May get worse. In a shorter barrel, the pellet leaves the barrel earlier so that the effects of body movment aren't as amplified.  There's also the crown. If the barrel isn't cut square and a crown isn't put on, then air won't vent evenly around the base of the pellet causing a tumble or spiral. Accuracy will also fall off.

Inducing a choke in a brarrel is a difficult thing. You could lap the barrel, but all that really does is open up the bore on the breach end. What I've done (and has worked) was to place the end of the barrel in a JIC Fitting press and squeze it to about 3500 PSI or so, then rotate it a quarter turn and do it again then crown the muzzle.  I've actually over choked some Crosman pencil barrels doing this.

Shortening a barrel can also cause hold sensitivity that was otherwise not there before. From my experience with a Crosman Quest, recoil became much sharper and faster. Hold sensitivity went up a bit until I figured out where I had to put my hands as the balance of the rifle changed significantly.

If you had a Crosman, I'd say go for it. But since Gamo doesn't sell replacment parts, I'll leave this one up to you.  Hopefully someone with the same rifle as you that has been shortenend will chime in soon!

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RE: DOES SHORTER BARREL = MORE FPS ?????
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 01:40:40 PM »
Velocity as a function of barrel length depends on the power plant.  Because of the nature of springers, anything much over 12"-18" is wasted.  While the pressure at the transfer port is extremely high, the total volume of compressed gas in front of the piston and behind the pellet is relatively small.  And in a relatively short distance down the barrel of a springer, the pellet is no longer accelerating.  On the other hand, a PCP or CO2 gun with lower pressure at the transfer port may have a much larger volume of compressed gas behind the pellet, and therefore, more total energy to continue to accelerate the pellet down a longer barrel.

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RE: DOES SHORTER BARREL = MORE FPS ?????
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 03:49:10 PM »
It can but only slightly...
a pellet reaches max fps in about 9'
of it travel up the barrel..after that
the barrel drag slows it...

But a short barrel will make the gun more accurite
as the pellet exits the barrel sooner so the barrel rise
has less time to efect the pellet...

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Re: DOES SHORTER BARREL = MORE FPS ?????
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 11:41:15 AM »
Thank's guys, Sounds like I can settle for what I know I have now. I am not a gambling man by no means.AKJC1977