Light Weight Wood/Synthetic Gun

[KK0605]

Oh sorry. Didn't mean to sound... well.... mean! lol Ya, I thought that $230 is quite a bit more.

[onemountain]

KK0605 - 10/26/2009  6:11 PM  So, after some reading, whatever gun I happen to get I am going to bed liner it. So, now that looks arn't a problem, and it will be water proof, its all about performance. I can get a better deal on whatever gun if it has a damaged stock anyway. Though, the TF89 does look great.... The MP 513 would look better black (IMO) so it would work also.

Are you still wanting 20+ fpe as part of "performance?"

[KK0605]

Not necessarily. I guess a good Q would be : How much Fpe is required to kill small game? How many FPE is required to kill medium (coon possum) sized game? I have read that country rat (possum) skulls are very thick. So that would be something to know...

I hunt in thick Ponderosa/arizona pines, so accuracy is very important. But pines are never super thick; they are HUGE! And we hunt Aberts/Kaibab squirrel a lot. They run. They don't climb immediately like greys do. So, distance/power is also important. There is just a lot of little factors that I just can't seem to match with each gun....

[onemountain]

Please help us out here, if you could be so kind:

KK0605 - 10/26/2009  6:52 PM  Not necessarily. I guess a good Q would be : How much Fpe is required to kill small game? How many FPE is required to kill medium (coon possum) sized game? I have read that country rat (possum) skulls are very thick. So that would be something to know...  I hunt in thick Ponderosa/arizona pines, so accuracy is very important. But pines are never super thick; they are HUGE! And we hunt Aberts/Kaibab squirrel a lot. They run. They don't climb immediately like greys do. So, distance/power is also important. There is just a lot of little factors that I just can't seem to match with each gun....

Those are questions I don't feel that I can answer. Thus the title of this post

EDIT: Harry gently suggested (thanks for taking it easy on me) that the proper forum for a hunting discussion is probably the Hunting Gate, not here. Sounds about right to me in hindsight. It was a mistake on my part to ask for responses over here in the Airgun Gate. If people could respond over in the Hunting Great instead that'd be great. Here's the link:

Thread: I've decided to call in the experts  

hope I don't get in trouble

[onemountain]

KK, what's the biggest game you see yourself taking? Raccoon-ish?

[doc1310]

KK, if no one has welcomed you to the family, then welcome. All of the post here have been very good. All good guns to consider. My two cents would be to get a Crosman .22 NPSS they go for 299.00 at Pyramyd. You can read my review under the product review section. My rifle at least has worked out very well for me. It's lite weight ,It has a good trigger, looks good and comes with a fine scope and hits hard. Benjamin Discovery .22 pellets chrony at 788 FPS and a FPE at 19.7. Beeman FTS double gold pellets chrony at 794.7 with a FPE of 20.5, JSB Predators chrony at 745 with a PFE of 20. Crosman has very good customer service. The fist NPSS had stock peeling problems, but this has been addressed. From what you fist asked, this rifle fits within your parameters. Good luck on your search.

Regards,

[pindog2000]

or even a custom pistol or carbine there are plenty of folks here picking off nutters with pistols look at mr jake in the hunting forum he been on a killing spree with his 1377 pistol and i know for a fact it has power if u want a light gun try some of the chinese goods too but like mr shadow said if ur hunting bigger game might want to get a bigger basher.

[KK0605]

The Largest i would think of taking would be a coon. Anything larger is for my rimfires.

[pindog2000]

if u want a light wieght killer its nothing lighter than a pistol but u wont have the power like a rifle and synth is the way to go but if your hunting big game with a light gun look at the fpe rating if ur hunting birds and nutters go pistol a 1377/or a rws diana/800 mag or go chinese my blackhawk has some wieght and i think its a tad heavier than my 89 whatever you do good luck and its plenty of advise here but if you do go pistol 1377??use domed pellets trust me.

[pindog2000]

thats a question for mr shadow he is the king hunter here.a coon?that ex out a pistol  that ruger might be a option sportsmanguide.com 99 big ones or pick up a refurb g1 extreme or phantom at airgundepot.com i think 89 big ones.

[KK0605]

Found this link that pindog posted on another thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maTIQ3o-DsA Good review video. There arn't many reviews on the TF89, so I was glad I found this link. Thanks Pindog!

[pindog2000]

thats my buddy rick he has a website called http://www.airgunweb.com go check out hammering hanks review on the techforce 89 makes u wonder thats why i bought one the actually call this gun a legend.

[only1harry]

It all depends on the distance, but for medium-sized game like raccoon & possum (Groundhogs, etc.) you need to make sure the pellet hits the critter down range with minimum of 8fpe on impact.  10fpe preferrably for a very quick kill with a shot to the brain.  Got a possum 40min. ago with the 350 .22, but it got hit with 17fpe on impact (19-20yds) so it was a "no brainer", get it?    You have to know your gun's power down range and your pellet's ballistics to accurately estimate the power.  If you have a 14-15fpe gun, you can take medium-sized small game inside 25yds as a general rule of thumb.

For smaller game like squirrel, rabbit, crow, etc. about 5fpe on impact does the job with a well placed shot.

We can talk about it in the hunting gate.  Not sure this is the place..

[thebookdoc]

What's 'super accurate'?

I think a lot of times we get to comparing apples and clams if you know what I mean...you can eat either one but it just isn't the same experience.

I just got my second TF89 along side a RWS350 that arrived same day. I wanted to see what all the hype was about on Euro-guns. I'll be damned if the two guns don't feel nearly the same, sound the same, and but for the difference in the safety are pretty much the same. Well, beside the fact the RWS350 costs 3Xs as much. $240 buys a LOT of pellets. I'll be doing some better testing this weekend. My guess: it doesn't really get a whole heck of a lot better than a TF89 until you get to about 5 times the cost.

The TF89 is $134 at compasseco if you wait for a 10% off sale. I got mine for $119 by requesting a damaged stock as I was just going to replace it anyway. I'm still looking for the damage.

I just don't see how you go wrong with the TF89.

[thebookdoc]

My TF89 shoots right at 20FPE, maybe a hair under. Is the 513 that powerful? I was under the impression it was not.