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Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« on: December 06, 2009, 05:04:30 AM »
I am considering a trade for a RWS 460 which is beautiful but for the chrome in the breach (sorry, don't know exactly what to call that part...). Please have a look at the pictures attached and tell me what you think of the discoloration. I think I'd like the gun, but not if it is not well.

Thanks!
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO

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RE: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 05:38:26 AM »
Rich,
I see a fingerprint so it's evidently a metal reaction to the oil in the fingers when it was stored for an extended time without being oiled or cleaned first. Several things you could do. Try to get a replacement piece (breach slide or breach cover?), try 0000 steel wool but keep it cleaned and oiled afterwards or disassemble and use a buffing wheel and compound to clean it and get a sheen back on it. Possibly use a Drimel with a buffing pad and chrome polish. I have used Break-Free toclean and oil my guns for MANY years and never had a problem with rust.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
Crosman/Revelation 760 PumpMaster (Vintage 1967)
Powerline 1000S .177 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Super Streak .177/.22 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1500 (bone stock)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1100 (project gun)
TF89 .22 (tuned by Gene)
Winchester 1000WS .177 (semi-tuned by muwah)
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Re: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 09:28:24 AM »
That's actually not chrome. It's a cheap stainless steel alloy that the Chinese use on their guns. That's why it rusted.

You could remove the air chamber from the gun and repolish it or Jewel it like mentioned above.  You could also take a piece of fine steel wool and add a little WD40 to it and rub out the rust. Be careful of the blued metal though.

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Re: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2009, 09:30:28 AM »
this 'cheap chinese steel' came from germany ;-)
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO

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Re: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2009, 09:50:59 AM »
Sam is right Rich. The 460 is out sourced or atleast the parts are. I hate to give the 460 a bad rap but the 48,52 and 54 series are truly made in Germany and so are the parts.. They are made to last a lifetime. One thing for sure is that the RWS air rifles do need to be properly lubed.
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do you like the gun....?....
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 09:51:55 AM »
if you like the gun and want a nice fix to the dis-coloration, take the gun apart and 'jewel" it.....it will really look nice then.  jeweling adds a lot of character to gun.
The hardest part of getting old is trying to look good naked!

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RE: do you like the gun....?....
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 10:16:22 AM »
Didn't think about jeweling...Dooohhhhh.
Excellent choice since it will help remove or cover any damage the rust has caused already.
Adds that custom sparkle too. I've also jeweled with a pencil eraser in a cordless drill....poor mans tool. :)
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
Crosman/Revelation 760 PumpMaster (Vintage 1967)
Powerline 1000S .177 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Super Streak .177/.22 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1500 (bone stock)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1100 (project gun)
TF89 .22 (tuned by Gene)
Winchester 1000WS .177 (semi-tuned by muwah)
QB57 (l

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RE: do you like the gun....?....
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 11:39:57 AM »
For Jeweling, nothing beats a cheap Ink Pen Eraser. You know... those cheapie pens that look like pencils and have the slightly abrasive eraser that WILL NOT (no matter how much you try? hehe) erase the ink before it tears the paper?  I was on the drill team in boot camp and we used to use them to keep our 1903's "In the White"


Anyway... Those make PERFECT jeweling abrasives. Just chuck 1 up in the drill press, spray your part with a light oil and turn away!


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RE: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2009, 09:45:27 AM »
Not to stray from the thread but where is the source for the Chinese parts? We've gone over this on the Dianawerk, even contacting Diana, and there seems to be no verifiable truth in it.

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RE: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2009, 10:26:20 AM »
UmarexUSA.com....
I contacted them and got an immediate reply with an exploded parts diagram. I'm guessing it's part #9?
Hard to tell without the gun torn down in front of me. They are getting me a price and availability. I'll post it as soon as they respond.
Dave
Crosman/Revelation 760 PumpMaster (Vintage 1967)
Powerline 1000S .177 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Super Streak .177/.22 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1500 (bone stock)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1100 (project gun)
TF89 .22 (tuned by Gene)
Winchester 1000WS .177 (semi-tuned by muwah)
QB57 (l

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RE: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2009, 12:50:56 PM »
hey, thanks for the extgra work! I'll be interested when you get a response. If it isn't ridiculously expensive, that might drive my interest in the gun...

You are awesome!
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO

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RE: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 06:16:15 AM »
Well Rich,
Umarex got back to me and they do not sell the compression tube (item #9). She recommended using a solvent to remove the rust. I think the members have given you some better recommendations. If it's one you're buying, you can use this info as a bargaining chip. Pack it up and ship to me, I'll tear it down and buff that sucka up. LOL Or do the jeweling. That would look really good on the gun.
Sorry I didn't get better news for you. But there HAS to be a source for these somewhere. Maybe MM knows of a parts source?
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave

Crosman/Revelation 760 PumpMaster (Vintage 1967)
Powerline 1000S .177 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Super Streak .177/.22 (semi-tuned by me)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1500 (bone stock)
Benjamin Trail NP XL1100 (project gun)
TF89 .22 (tuned by Gene)
Winchester 1000WS .177 (semi-tuned by muwah)
QB57 (l

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Re: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 06:28:44 AM »
Hey, Dave, thanks for the effort. Weird they won't sell parts like that -- not like they wouldn't charge more for a part than it is worth in the whole...

Actually I was going to trade for a RWS350 I have...too similar to the rest of my guns. I mean I have a TF89 (.177, .22), a Cometa Fusion (.22), and Walther Force 1000. At least the RWS460 is an underlever...and when I get that I can sell my TF97 for whatever...Still a decent rifle. I'll see about PMing for parts ;-)
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO

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Re: Chrome Damage...Fixable? Bad?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 06:30:18 AM »
BTW Bhawanna, thanks for the great suggestion! I might go that way.
THE GUNS:
     â€¢ Cometa Fusion Star (Gene tuned) 12/10/09
     â€¢ Cometa Fenix RWS 94 2/8/10
     â€¢ RWS Diana 48 .177 1/8/10 [TRADE for RWS 350]
     â€¢ Walther Force 1000 .177 11/11/09
     â€¢ TF89 .22 10/26/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ TF89 .177 (Gene tuned) 9/6/09
     â€¢ Remington Vantage 1200 .177 8/22/09 (Gene tuned 1/6/10)
     â€¢ Daisy 953 (pneumatic) 8/02/08
     â€¢ Gamo Big Cat 2/5/10 (broken...free...maybe gas piston?!)

THE SCOPES:  
     â€¢ Sightron SII 4-16x42 AO  
     â€¢ Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 Ultralight EFR AO
     â€¢ Bushnell Trophy 6-18x42 AO  
     â€¢ Swift 686 High Recoil 6.5-20x44 AO  
     â€¢ Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 AO  
     â€¢ Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 AO