Gene, You might not have been responding to me, but I didn't sound like I was promoting Hatsan, did I?!?! One thing I didn't mention, I have the Winchester 1000x because someone recommended it as a springer that was tough on rifle scopes...and, in other words, good for my testing. In other words, I have a Hatsan BECAUSE it is rough. I haven't really ever heard someone speaking the praises of Hatsan...Or Mendoza for that matter (my personal dealings with Mendoza leave something to be desired). On the other hand, lots of people (not on GTA) put down Chinese rifles, and really if it were not for Chinese rifles, I probably would not have gotten back into shooting! So I don't want to discourage Hatsan as maybe they'll turn that corner too. I respect your perspective on guns, always, as a tuner because you get into the guts and you know. Maybe you should offer consulting services to Hatsan so they can improve their product? Better competition might lead to lower prices and we'd all benefit!